Ohio casinos are a failure before they are even built

• Glory Days

  

  A second structure collapses at a casino site, this time Cincinnati. Just over a month ago a parking garage collapsed at the casino in Cleveland. Someone is cutting corners.
  
  
  http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/01/part_of_dan_gilbert_casino_in.html
  
  http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/casino_parking_garage_on_hold.html
• Iliketurtles

  

  As long as the one in Toledo is built perfectly fine and ready soon I don't give a shit what happens to these other ones. But yeah someone is definitely not doing there job.
• se-alum

  

  Glory Days;1067496 wrote:A second structure collapses at a casino site, this time Cincinnati. Just over a month ago a parking garage collapsed at the casino in Cleveland. Someone is cutting corners.
  
  
  http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/01/part_of_dan_gilbert_casino_in.html
  
  http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/casino_parking_garage_on_hold.html

  Yep, just tear them down. This state doesn't need the revenue or thousands of jobs.
• thavoice

  What a clusterfuck.
  
  Gotta think this will push back the completion dates.
• queencitybuckeye

  I'm far from an expert in construction, but would think building something of this scale without any mishaps would be the exception rather than the rule.
• tcarrier32

  

  what about the one in columbus?
• thavoice

  queencitybuckeye;1067522 wrote:I'm far from an expert in construction, but would think building something of this scale without any mishaps would be the exception rather than the rule.

  Without ANY mishaps...maybe....but a mishap that injures a dozen or so people? This has to be more of an exception and not the rule in construction I would think.
• Tiernan

  I'll wager these facilities pay out to be a huge jackpot for Ohio in the long run.
• said_aouita

  

  They say in the article it's the "same team" of workers. I wonder if just the same construction company or same foreman and work crew?
• sportchampps

  The casinos will raise a lot of money but get no credit for it
• sportchampps

  Sounds like the problems with the construction team who gave them the lowest bid not the casinos
• Glory Days

  

  se-alum;1067508 wrote:Yep, just tear them down. This state doesn't need the revenue or thousands of jobs.

  Wasnt really implying that.
  

  said_aouita;1067562 wrote:They say in the article it's the "same team" of workers. I wonder if just the same construction company or same foreman and work crew?

  I think Dan Gilbert owns both casinos. so i am assuming probably the same company.
• gut

  sportchampps;1067564 wrote:The casinos will raise a lot of money but get no credit for it

  Really a vital step in taking us full-circle from govt-handout to poor person and ultimately back to the the govt. Wash, rinse and repeat.
• sportchampps

  Yes because the only people who gamble are people who receive government handouts. Why do people act like this. If I wanted to go to an osu footballl game and drop a couple hundred on tickets parking and food how is that different then walking into a casino and spending that same amount. Gambling is not going to make people rich but it does provide people another option for entertainment. The casino will create jobs and keep a lot of money that was going out of state in state. The casino will help raise commercial property values in a downtrodden area(Columbus casino). If you don't believe that is true look at Les Wexnar buying up as much of the surrounding area as possible.
• SportsAndLady

  

  The casinos themselves are failures because of a construction error? :huh:
• majorspark

  

  Sounds like a house of cards.
• queencitybuckeye

  majorspark;1067879 wrote:Sounds like a house of cards.

  Try the veal. Tip your waiters.
• Mr. 300

  

  It's Bush's fault
• SnotBubbles

  

  I'm in construction management and buildings falling down during construction are NOT a common thing. They're a rare thing. Small issues occur all the time, but nothing of this magnitude. If I heard correctly, the contractor overseeing this project (from our in-house discussions on this) was Messer. A large, reputable company...but a company that subcontracts a lot of their work out.
  
  In our industry, you read about these mishaps and are just thankful everyone survived. The company I work for has been around for over 60 years, is a medium size company and has never had a single workplace fatality. Unfortunately, that is not the norm. Mistakes happen, no matter how good/careful you are.
• Glory Days

  

  SportsAndLady;1067868 wrote:The casinos themselves are failures because of a construction error? :huh:

  since like most have pointed out, this is a rare occurrance, its probably a sign of the things to come. wait till we find out people are getting paid off and patrons are being taken into back rooms etc.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Not sure if it's true, but someone told me today they were unsung a really cheap material to cut costs. Not sure if it was a steal or what, but the guy discussing it seemed to be knowledgeable.
• password

  

  Should have had the Amish build it.
• Pick6

  

  Dont know about the one in Cinci, but the parking deck level that collapsed in Cleveland happened at the building they are remodeling to be the casino temporarily. So, I could see some complications. Its not like they are building it from the ground up and these things are happening.
  
  Also creating thousands of jobs =/= failure.
• Laley23

  

  No matter what you try to say, a construction company's error is not the fault of the casino.
• thavoice

  thedynasty1998;1068098 wrote:Not sure if it's true, but someone told me today they were unsung a really cheap material to cut costs. Not sure if it was a steal or what, but the guy discussing it seemed to be knowledgeable.

  I heard that too. Instaed of steel they used steel colored balsa wood.