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Football Position Question

  • SnotBubbles
    Okay...I thought I knew a lot about football. Obviously I don't know enough. I am calling a game tonight (radio) and I'm putting together my "scouting reports" to use for the broadcast.

    In one HC's starting defensive line-up he lists one player as a "Hawk" and one player as a "Jack."

    They run a 4-2 look. 4 DL, 2 LB's...then this "hawk" and "jack."

    Does anyone know what the fuck they are so I can pass the information along to our 4 listeners?

    I'm assuming they are like a LB/CB hybrid. Play as LB's on running/blitzing plays and CB on passing/coverage plays...but that is a total guess. Don't know if this helps...but the hawk is averaging 8 tackles per game and has 3 INT's in 3 games.

    I'm too ashamed to ask the coach...

    Reps to whomever can answer this the best and provides some type of backing behind it's validity.
  • ernest_t_bass
    My guess is that they are the outside "LB's." They will switch sides based on the offensive alignment. One could act as a 3rd linebacker, and one could act as a strong safety. Your other three would be your CB, CB, and FS.
  • karen lotz
    Never heard of hawk and jack, maybe its just their own terminology? I've also never heard of a team running a 4-2 front. That would leave 5 defensive back positions so I doubt those two are LB/DB hybrids. Could just be jack lines up in the strong side of the offensive formation and hawk goes to the weak side.


    Edit: misread op, probably just different names for field/boundary corners or free/strong safety.
  • Devils Advocate
    I would love to see someone jack a hawk... :)

    But then again, I guess I don't know jack....
  • SnotBubbles
    Someone rep me...I got the balls to ask the coach. Here's a lesson for everyone and his explanation via email: "Yes they are a cross between a SS and LB. We can go with a 4-4 look at times, or stay in the 4-2."

  • karen lotz
    Sounds like an effective defense.
  • Dthane
    Sounds like a fancy name for a 4-4, aka they may not be able to stop the run with 7 inside and 4 dbs, so they add a lb/db hybrid into the box. Sounds like hawk is weakside (no te side) and jack is strongside (te side). Hopefully 3 out of the 4 listeners will understand your vivid descriptions, plus it gives you something to talk about while coaches take all 25 seconds to send in the plays.

    You can look up the bear defense from the 80s and the dolphin D from the 70s (5-3) and check your xbox/ps games and see if they found it on one of those games. Could be a nickel package like karen lotz says, and on run plays they put bigger kids in those spots, with faster db kids in on passing plays. Let us know.
  • Belly35
    4-2-5 defensive
    Strong defensive for a spread offensive team
    strong safety (Monster back) could be called a "hawk" playing the wide side of the field
    "Jack" in this case is the strong linebacker mirroring ( goes where he goes) on one running back and moving to that side of the field

    The 4-2-5 plus more speeded on the filed and less reading of keys and more on stopping individual player on a spread offensive team
  • FatHobbit
    Dthane;898403 wrote:Sounds like hawk is weakside (no te side) and jack is strongside (te side).
    Wouldn't that be the Will and the Sam...
  • Curly J
    That's for that Snotty, but what are Mike, Will, and Sam Linebackers ??? :cool:
  • Devils Advocate
    Here's a pick of the famed Orka back...




    I gotta a feeling If I paid to see this game I'd want my moneyback..... :(
  • SnotBubbles
    Curly J;898418 wrote:That's for that Snotty, but what are Mike, Will, and Sam Linebackers ??? :cool:
    Mike Singletary
    Will Herring
    Sam Mills

    Like fucking, duh?!?
  • ernest_t_bass
    SnotBubbles;898399 wrote:Someone rep me...I got the balls to ask the coach. Here's a lesson for everyone and his explanation via email: "Yes they are a cross between a SS and LB. We can go with a 4-4 look at times, or stay in the 4-2."

    I got it right.
  • Curly J
    SnotBubbles;898440 wrote:Mike Singletary
    Will Herring
    Sam Mills

    Like fucking, duh?!?
    Thanks, or That's as I sometimes type it. (I know what I meant)
  • Tiernan
    Wasn't it the famous S&L who didn't know what Mike & Sam are? Never heard of "Jack" but the "Hawk" term has always meant a hybrid SS / LB type player. Waaay back in the day...Wooddy Hayes called it the "Monster" and Jack Tatum was probably the first to play it.
  • 1_beast
    Tiernan;898575 wrote:Wasn't it the famous S&L who didn't know what Mike & Sam are? Never heard of "Jack" but the "Hawk" term has always meant a hybrid SS / LB type player. Waaay back in the day...Wooddy Hayes called it the "Monster" and Jack Tatum was probably the first to play it.
    Beast was a Monster back.....
  • Heretic
    Just try not to go into five minute spiels about how you wish you were the quarterback in back on that hunky bent-over center. I know it will be hard for you.
  • thePITman
    1_beast;898615 wrote:Beast was a Monster back.....
    I was "Monster"/OLB back in Junior High/High School, too.
  • 1_beast
    Beast led team in tackles 3 years....only responsibility....end blocks down...shut down the option or sweep....end pass blocks or blocks out....find ball and kill
  • se-alum
    karen lotz;898386 wrote:Never heard of hawk and jack, maybe its just their own terminology? I've also never heard of a team running a 4-2 front. That would leave 5 defensive back positions so I doubt those two are LB/DB hybrids. Could just be jack lines up in the strong side of the offensive formation and hawk goes to the weak side.

    Edit: misread op, probably just different names for field/boundary corners or free/strong safety.
    TCU runs a 4-2-5 base defense.
  • Sonofanump
    I&#8217;d think the Hawk covers the pass strong side and the Jack lines up on the run strong side.</SPAN>
  • THE4RINGZ
    Who else would love to hear snot call a game on the radio two and a half hours with no references to penises, young girls, or a frothy walrus. Priceless.
  • password
    Who do we call when he announces that he would PIIHB when the other announcer comments about the coaches wife always attending the games to show her support for the team?
  • I Wear Pants
    Who would give you a microphone?
  • dwccrew
    Curly J;898418 wrote:That's for that Snotty, but what are Mike, Will, and Sam Linebackers ??? :cool:
    Tiernan;898575 wrote:Wasn't it the famous S&L who didn't know what Mike & Sam are? Never heard of "Jack" but the "Hawk" term has always meant a hybrid SS / LB type player. Waaay back in the day...Wooddy Hayes called it the "Monster" and Jack Tatum was probably the first to play it.

    Ah yes, Sports and Lady. I have a feeling he knows little about both.