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Soldier Unfit for high school football

  • 1_beast
    Manhattan Buckeye;862865 wrote:^^^^

    Is there a Bad News Bears reference here?

    Joking aside, the analysis is correct, the rule isn't about fair competition, his teams' opponents aren't better off that he didn't attend practice. If it is about safety then they need to have a representative attending every practice to insure that all players are being thoroughly trained to play a varsity game. Again, I don't think this rule existed when I was in school since we had guys join the team mid-year - cheesed off a lot of guys that it happened, but it was an internal issue.

    This is purely legal, and if a guy can commit himself to the military, he should be able to commit himself to not suing the pee out of the district.


    AGREED!!!!!
  • fan_from_texas
    jmog;862719 wrote:Anyone who played HS football will tell you that you can have all the helmets only conditioning in the world for weeks, but the first week or so of full pads/full contact practice are brutal. I didn't mind 2 a days after the first week or so, but all 4 years of HS I dreaded those first few days of hitting practice there was no way to go home without a horrible headache and your whole body feeling like you got ran over by a car.

    That wasn't my experience at all. I recall the biggest issues being feet blisters and the helmet not fitting perfectly, but the contact wasn't that big of a deal. I don't think that a few weeks of tackling makes the body any more or less able to absorb a blow. Maybe it's just a mind-set issue?
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    I can see for newbies how the contact thing might be an issue, but it still doesn't explain how it can be enforced.

    At any rate, it certainly doesn't exist on the highest level. Walter Jones (IMO a HOF'er) pretty much made his career being a hold-out every year that refused to go to camp or practice, and it didn't affect his game much.
  • thavoice
    FFt has some good points.

    I wonder how much this has to do with the rules or how much is about not wanting to set a precedent of not letting other people miss out and start late?
  • 1_beast
    THE4RINGZ;862616 wrote:Gotcha. That program has been around for 3-4 years now.
    Longer....my brother went thru it in 2003
    Scooter1369;862619 wrote:The only reference I can find to something like this is the Future Soldiers Program. And that doesn't include a full trip to basic training, just a couple of weeks of crossfit with an army drill seargent. Nothing like real boot camp and nowhere near as demanding.
    its full basic....gone the whole summer basically
    jmog;862727 wrote:Did you play HS football?

    There is NO DOUBT the first few days of hitting practice made you much more sore and more headaches than the whole rest of the season combined (at least for me). Not a myth.
    Agree to an extent...I got sore but not to that extent....after the 1st game, however...I was hurtin...lol
    fan_from_texas;862825 wrote:This is stupid. If he's willing to sign a waiver and agree not to sue in the case of injury, they should waive the condition and let him play. The rule doesn't have meaning by itself; it's a means to an end, and when the end is met through other means, forcing someone to adhere to the rule seems stupid.

    Means to an end is correct...if he signs the waiver....then his parents are shouldering the responsibilty...

    To be honest....since its in Indiana...i dont give a rats ass....lol, but i still think its silly.
  • thavoice
    Its illinois actually.

    The future soldier program that I know of from last summer went like this. There are online courses you can take to earn promotion points so you dont start at an E1. You learn things such as land nav, drill and ceremony, rank structure and things such as that. Many recruiting places also run some classes for those courses, and some physical activities to help them get into shape before leaving. At times it was running, or playing football, capture the flag, etc etc etc.

    I did some of the online courses but never went to anything else. They would always have some pre basic kid call me and tell me about the next one and how it is mandatory and such. I would them tell them I am not taking off work, driving an hour to do that stuff. The kid would always fumble over his words, say it is mandatory and he will report me to the recruiter etc etc etc.

    Some of that stuff can be helpful so when ya go ya dont have to learn some of that stuff. It isnt mandatory at all but they try to make it sound like it was.
  • jmog
    Glory Days;862746 wrote:so what about pitchers in baseball? or cross country runners? you go throw 6/7 innings or go run your first meet without proper conditioning to your arm or legs you could be hurt too. so he will be sore after his first game more than his teammates. so? whats the difference if he sore after the first couple two a days or first game? he is missing 5 practices. what if a player gets hurt during practice 3. and is out for a week (5 practices), and there are only 2 days before the first game. does he sit too?

    I am actually a HUGE baseball guy, played all the way through college.

    I am 100% sure now that you never played football when you compare pitching and "soreness" in the pitchers arms and the soreness that comes from the physical contact/hitting in football.
  • thavoice
    If ya want to compare this to baseball the only way it would be comparable is asking a pitcher to throw a CG with only a few days of practice.
  • sportchampps
    Ok for everyone who thinks there is a such thing as being in shape for football hits I have a few questions. How long does it take to get into this football shape. How long until you lose your football shape. If a players gets hurt and misses three weeks should he have to go thru a week of hitting to get back used to it or does the one week of hitting make you good for a whole season.
  • jmog
    sportchampps;863029 wrote:Ok for everyone who thinks there is a such thing as being in shape for football hits I have a few questions. How long does it take to get into this football shape. How long until you lose your football shape. If a players gets hurt and misses three weeks should he have to go thru a week of hitting to get back used to it or does the one week of hitting make you good for a whole season.

    That's a heck of a question for a qualified sports medicine doctor/trainer neither of which I am. I can just get anecdotal evidence from someone who played 3 sports, football, wrestling, and baseball and football is the one where I can say that it would create a greater chance of injury to just walk out and play.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    "Ok for everyone who thinks there is a such thing as being in shape for football hits I have a few questions. How long does it take to get into this football shape."

    The answer is none, if one is committed to the sport before practice begins and has been there before. No one has ever been made tougher physically by getting beat up more. I can understand the weeding out of kids that shouldn't be there, educating kids how not to get to hit (that's a big one, amazing how some track kids don't get that initially!), and emotionally dealing with getting hit. If this was that big of a deal, the amount of practice would be a lot longer.

    "If ya want to compare this to baseball the only way it would be comparable is asking a pitcher to throw a CG with only a few days of practice. "

    Well then the pitcher should be prepared, and if the pitcher isn't prepared the coach should pull him. I played baseball and I would have burned my jersey if I wasn't ready to throw a complete game day 1, regardless of OHSAA rules.
  • LJ
    "football shape" isn't being able to absorb the hits. Think of it like this. There are specific movements and muscles that you use while playing football. While you can work on getting them stronger by doing controlled workouts, the only way to truly get those muscles used to the activity is by doing the activity itself. When you just jump in and try to go 100% that is when injuries happen.

    You can be extremely flexible and strong, but when that running back runs past you and you haven't been practicing and reach out to grab him, there goes your bicep muscle.
  • sportchampps
    football shape" isn't being able to absorb the hits. Think of it like this. There are specific movements and muscles that you use while playing football. While you can work on getting them stronger by doing controlled workouts, the only way to truly get those muscles used to the activity is by doing the activity itself. When you just jump in and try to go 100% that is when injuries happen.
    How long does it take to get into this football shape. How long until you lose your football shape. If a players gets hurt and misses three weeks should he have to go thru a week of hitting to get back used to it or does the one week of hitting make you good for a whole season.
  • LJ
    sportchampps;863155 wrote:How long does it take to get into this football shape. How long until you lose your football shape. If a players gets hurt and misses three weeks should he have to go thru a week of hitting to get back used to it or does the one week of hitting make you good for a whole season.

    "hitting" has nothing to do with it. It's all about letting your body adjust to the speed of the game. When you are working out, you control every single movement you make. When you are playing football, it is all reactions. Your body not being used to performing those reactions is what causes injuries. How long does it take? Dunno, depends on the person? If a person gets hurt should they have to go through a week of full go before being allowed to play? Absolutely.
  • Glory Days
    jmog;863016 wrote:I am actually a HUGE baseball guy, played all the way through college.

    I am 100% sure now that you never played football when you compare pitching and "soreness" in the pitchers arms and the soreness that comes from the physical contact/hitting in football.

    not comparing it to the soreness. comparing it to the serious and maybe permanent injury that could be caused to someone's throwing arm if it isnt properly conditioned to throw a lot of innings right away.
    thavoice;863020 wrote:If ya want to compare this to baseball the only way it would be comparable is asking a pitcher to throw a CG with only a few days of practice.
    i was.