Casey Anthony found not guilty of murder, guilty of lying to police

• dwccrew

  

  gut;823372 wrote:Why not? They got it wrong with OJ, so it's not like it's never happened before (as opposed to covering up an accidental drowning, which to my knowledge has NEVER happened).
  
  Again, is it reasonable to think a drowning is plausible when A) no one has ever tried to cover-up an accidental drowning with duck tape and what not and B) the mother clearly had knowledge of the death, which the defense CONCEDES with their drowning defense....therefore not having her fingerprints on the tape isn't really critical - she knew of the death and had access to the body and everything found with it.
  
  My problem with saying the drowning is plausible is it requires a rather unreasonable perspective to dismiss everything else. It's a rather fantastical story of pressure from an abusive father to cover-up an accidental drowning, a position that isn't reasonable or established as credible by the defense.
  
  Look, very simply you find a body in the woods with duct tape on it, it's murder - there is no other reasonable explanation unless something plausible is presented. The defense didn't do that, all they did was say the child drowned and blame the father for abuse leading to the cover-up, none of which is consistent given her actions and lies to accept at face value as reasonable doubt.

  I'm glad you are not a juror or attorney. Your logic is totally inconsistent with how the system works. Even if the duct tape proves murder (which it does not PROVE murder) you still have to show proof that Casey Anthony was the responsible party, which they couldn't do. Her DNA was not found on the body, there was no cause of death and there was no crime scene.
• Crimson streak

  

  She better hope she stays out of trouble when she gets out because if she doesn't she will get the max on anything she does like oj
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Crimson streak;823484 wrote:She better hope she stays out of trouble when she gets out because if she doesn't she will get the max on anything she does like oj

  
  If my AP feed is correct she just did, the judge is b---h slapping the jury.
• Heretic

  

  Manhattan
  
  One thing I'm wondering about as far as what you're saying about people having been found guilty of serious crimes on equal/less proof is if the mass media circus around this case had any effect on that (much like OJ).
  
  Like, from the perspective of a juror: if it's a regular case, your verdict is just a tiny drop of water in the lake. Right or wrong, only a few people will know about it or care. But with a case like this or OJ, your decision is magnified and blown up all over the news. EVERYONE who doesn't live under a rock will know and dissect anything said. So I can see that leading to a situation where they'd want to be 100 percent sure with absolutely no ifs, ands or buts (which, as many posts on here have definitively said, do exist) before saying "guilty" and essentially condemning someone to death or life in jail.
• power i

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;823450 wrote:How is that responsive? Did you think there were ever convictions prior to the Law and Order era? From what I just read she got the maximum for lying to the authorities, a very rare situation (four years, really? For lying). Apparently there is judicial remorse about the matter.
  
  This is OJ part deux.

  Exactly. People watch too much CSI and think there must always be DNA or a smoking gun. Cases were tried and won on circumstantial evidence way before all the science that's available today.
  
  1. Her daughter is missing for 31 days yet she says nothing. She's out partying and having a good ol' time, something her parents had given her much crap about doing because of Caylee.
  
  2. She says nothing until her mom figures out Caylee is missing, then makes up a bs lie about a nanny and has the whole state of Florida searching for her child which she now admits she knows was dead.
  
  3. Internet search for chloroform when she was the only person at home.
  
  4. Caylee's remains are discovered with duct tape covering her nose and mouth, thrown in a swamp. You don't put duct tape on your child if she accidently drowns.
  
  5. Time for trial and a new bs story about what happened. She's admitted to lying but now the accidental drowning story should be believed?
  
  Sorry, that's enough for me.
• THE4RINGZ

  

  The interview with Juror #3 on ABC last night clearly explained why they found her not guilty. Although the constant smirk on her face made me a little more suspicious.
• enigmaax

  gut;823372 wrote: My problem with saying the drowning is plausible is it requires a rather unreasonable perspective to dismiss everything else. It's a rather fantastical story of pressure from an abusive father to cover-up an accidental drowning, a position that isn't reasonable or established as credible by the defense.

  
  To compare plausible theories...and to focus more on the one that had to actually be proven, the former president of the American Psychology Assocation had some thoughts:
  

  No credible motivational psychology that I know of would support that a single mother who seemed to love her child and who had lots of back-up parenting, in the grandparents and perhaps even from a brother, would go through the careful planning and complex, unpredictable, scary process of killing and disposing of her child in order to get a bit more free time.

  What sane human being could wake up in the morning and say, "Gee, I could have a fun time if I killed my daughter." There was also no evidence that Caylee was a difficult child whose behavior could lead her mother into a homicidal rage.

  Infanticide versus no partying: No serious psychology supported this option during the trial.

  The prosecution said these motivations were crucial to deciding this case. The attorneys might have believed these ideas could sway the jury, pundits and the public, but in the science of psychology, they would not survive a student seminar. They are speculative and insufficient for any serious life or death deliberations.

  http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-05/opinion/farley.anthony.trial_1_caylee-casey-anthony-bella-vita?_s=PM:OPINION
• enigmaax

  They just announced she'll be released next Wednesday - the 13th.
• Speedofsand

  

  God I hope Baez don't take her to OIA to fly anywhere when she gets out, I'm flying to Akron next Wed.
  Her dad was glaring daggers at her in court today, she never even looked back at him. I don't know why so many people are saying what a dysfunctional family it is and the dad was involved. Why would anyone take an innocent accident and cover it up to make it look like a murder? Why would she not blow the whistle on him when she was in jail if that was true? The bitch is guilty, period. The shit hit the fan when the parents got the car.
• vball10set

  speedo--how far are you from Orlando? I'm sure this had to have consumed the media down there, even moreso than it has up here
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  You don't have to prove motive....this isn't Law and Order
• Speedofsand

  

  vball10set;823579 wrote:speedo--how far are you from Orlando? I'm sure this had to have consumed the media down there, even moreso than it has up here

  
  fuck off, just because you're an ahole
• SnotBubbles

  

  enigmaax;823529 wrote:They just announced she'll be released next Wednesday - the 13th.

  
  Yep....she certainly paid her debt to society for killing her daughter..... :rolleyes:
• vball10set

  Speedofsand;823715 wrote:**** off, just because you're an ahole

  
  LOL--and you've got a college aged daughter? stay classy there, pops :rolleyes:
• GoChiefs

  

  Damn...due to the public outrage, Vivid has revoked their porn offer.
• Heretic

  

  GoChiefs;823788 wrote:Damn...due to the public outrage, Vivid has revoked their porn offer.

  
  They're willing to do films with Chyna and her clitpenis, but keep away from Casey...
  
  What kind of a fucked up world do we live in?
• gut

  dwccrew;823483 wrote:I'm glad you are not a juror or attorney. Your logic is totally inconsistent with how the system works. Even if the duct tape proves murder (which it does not PROVE murder) you still have to show proof that Casey Anthony was the responsible party, which they couldn't do. Her DNA was not found on the body, there was no cause of death and there was no crime scene.

  Again, for like the umpteenth time, circumstantial evidence can be enough to convict. You have a body with duct tape over it, discarded in the woods. The reasonable assumption is murder - if there had been a bullet hole in her head would you still be saying they didn't put the gun in her hand or prove the cause of death? I mean, that'd be a heck of a way to cover up a drowning, no? Or perhaps you realize when you start to look at other aspects of the case you can reject the drowning theory.
  
  There is no one else with access or motive, and in fact Casey Anthony's defense acknowledges her access and offers no alternative. Either you accept that she drowned, or the circumstantial evidence points to murder with no remotely reasonable alternative. The problem with drowning, as I mentioned, is there's absolutely nothing credible behind that theory - even if you get past the fact that no one covers up an accidental drowning, her actions and statements are not consistent with someone frantic/panicking and trying to cover things up. If you were going to cover things up, you report her missing immediately. If she were possibly kidnapped, then you have legit reasonable doubt. But as far the whole drowning theory posited by the defense, it was nothing more than shit thrown against the wall and the jury should have rejected it.
  
  The defense might as well have offered up little green men, and apparently for that jury and some on this board that's enough for reasonable doubt, no matter how ridiculous the theory.
• justincredible

  

  GoChiefs;823788 wrote:Damn...due to the public outrage, Vivid has revoked their porn offer.

  
  WTF? That sucks.
• gut

  enigmaax;823524 wrote:To compare plausible theories...and to focus more on the one that had to actually be proven, the former president of the American Psychology Assocation had some thoughts:

  And what does he say about a mother driving her car into the lake with her children inside? So mothers do kill their children, the main difference here apparently being CA didn't have an interest and/or the stones in killing herself. But where are the cases of elaborate steps to cover-up an accidental drowning? Hell, even her attempts to cover it up were half-ass - you don't sell that by going out partying and not even reporting your child missing.
• sherm03

  

  OK, let's ignore the drowning possibility for now.
  
  We have a dead body with duct tape over the mouth dumped in the woods. The duct tape was in the house, so any person that lived there had access to it. In fact, Casey's dad used the tape at work according to testimony. It was found on the gas cans that he reported missing to police. Why is it unreasonable to think that HE may have been the one to place the tape over the kid's mouth, causing her death? We have no DNA on the tape to prove that Casey was the one who actually placed the tape on her mouth. Isn't it possible that Casey's father could have done it? And isn't the possibility that someone else close to the victim had access to the "murder weapon" (and I use that term loosely since the prosecution never proved that it was actually the cause of death) reasonable enough doubt to acquit?
• Speedofsand

  

  Lightning has struck the tallest pine tree next to the place where her remains were found. Blasted the bark right off of it. GOD has spoken.
  
  
• Speedofsand

  

  vball10set;823723 wrote:LOL--and you've got a college aged daughter? stay classy there, pops :rolleyes:

  
  wut? you want to be a troll one day and my friend the next? NO. You are a punk. I show class to those who deserve it.
• justincredible

  

  Speedofsand;823866 wrote:wut? you want to be a troll one day and my friend the next? NO. You are a punk. I show class to those who deserve it.

  
  lol, I also question what you having a college aged daughter has to do anything?
• Heretic

  

  Speedofsand;823855 wrote:Lightning has struck the tallest pine tree next to the place where her remains were found. Blasted the bark right off of it. GOD has spoken.

  
  ALMIGHTY ZEUS HAS ARRIVED!!!
• stroups