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8 year old gets blasted with pepper spray.

  • Red_Skin_Pride
    tcarrier32;735216 wrote:thats not what they need, all that does is further prove you are inept at educating children. there are bad kids at schools, no amount of physical pain will make them change their ways. I'd also be willing to bet you'd pick and choose who to paddle and who to not, because most high school athletes would probably put you in your place.

    The point of smacking a kids ass is to do it when they're YOUNG, and then you only have to do it a few times and the kid figures out real quick that shit's not going to fly...the biggest problem is that so many parents let their kids do whatever the hell they want until they're 8, 9, 10 years old because they're just "being a kid", that by the time they get to that age, it's already too late. And if you can't tell, I respect your opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. Growing up around bunch of kids, you could always tell who got their ass smacked and who didn't, and you can still largely tell today even though myself and my friends are around the 22-25 age range. The kids that got disciplined, and were made to behave from a young age, are the group of my friends that don't act like the world is ending and don't act like they're entitled to do whatever they want. I have several friends who didn't get that, and they're nice enough people, but they're the biggest bunch of whiny bitches that you'd ever meet if anything doesn't go their way, because nobody ever MADE them realize from a young age that not everything is about what they want, and just because shit doesn't go your way all the time, doesn't mean you get to act like an idiot and throw a fit about it.

    Also, I fail to see how disciplining children at school adversly affects their education? I grew up in a school that the principal was allowed to paddle kids if their parents gave him permission...they had a form for it and everything...and nobody's education suffered for it. As a matter of fact, my class Valedictorian was the first kid that I ever remember seeing get paddled in a principals office. He is obviously intelligent, so that was the LAST time he ever got paddled at school too. It doesn't take to long to figure it out when there are REAL consequences for your actions, instead of an abstract discipline that kids that are 4-8 years old don't understand. Time outs are abstract concepts that work for children who are older because they understand abstract concepts. Younger kids don't. Therefore, you can either do something that works and that they will understand, or you can keep doing something that doesn't work.
    And just fyi, I don't believe anyone was talking about paddling high school students. Again, that goes back to my point about parents and schools doing it at a younger age. The point of doing it then is that by the time kids reach a high school age, they already have all that shit figured out and know how to behave and don't need paddled, and other sorts of punishment replace paddling. And this kid is a prime example of it being on the borderline of too late.
  • tcarrier32
    Red_Skin_Pride;735867 wrote:The point of smacking a kids ass is to do it when they're YOUNG, and then you only have to do it a few times and the kid figures out real quick that shit's not going to fly...the biggest problem is that so many parents let their kids do whatever the hell they want until they're 8, 9, 10 years old because they're just "being a kid", that by the time they get to that age, it's already too late. And if you can't tell, I respect your opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. Growing up around bunch of kids, you could always tell who got their ass smacked and who didn't, and you can still largely tell today even though myself and my friends are around the 22-25 age range. The kids that got disciplined, and were made to behave from a young age, are the group of my friends that don't act like the world is ending and don't act like they're entitled to do whatever they want. I have several friends who didn't get that, and they're nice enough people, but they're the biggest bunch of whiny bitches that you'd ever meet if anything doesn't go their way, because nobody ever MADE them realize from a young age that not everything is about what they want, and just because shit doesn't go your way all the time, doesn't mean you get to act like an idiot and throw a fit about it.

    Also, I fail to see how disciplining children at school adversly affects their education? I grew up in a school that the principal was allowed to paddle kids if their parents gave him permission...they had a form for it and everything...and nobody's education suffered for it. As a matter of fact, my class Valedictorian was the first kid that I ever remember seeing get paddled in a principals office. He is obviously intelligent, so that was the LAST time he ever got paddled at school too. It doesn't take to long to figure it out when there are REAL consequences for your actions, instead of an abstract discipline that kids that are 4-8 years old don't understand. Time outs are abstract concepts that work for children who are older because they understand abstract concepts. Younger kids don't. Therefore, you can either do something that works and that they will understand, or you can keep doing something that doesn't work.
    And just fyi, I don't believe anyone was talking about paddling high school students. Again, that goes back to my point about parents and schools doing it at a younger age. The point of doing it then is that by the time kids reach a high school age, they already have all that shit figured out and know how to behave and don't need paddled, and other sorts of punishment replace paddling. And this kid is a prime example of it being on the borderline of too late.
    i guess we should both stop generalizing, because I know plenty of adults who were not touched while growing up and are fine. My father was hit during school, and from what I've gathered it didn't do much to help him get back in line. Growing up, I'm pretty sure the reason why I felt guilty about getting in trouble was making my parents look bad (think of the saying, "i'm not mad, just disappointed.") I learned quickly that if I wanted my parents to trust me, then I needed to be worthy of that trust. Not all younger kids are stupid, treating them as such will just worsen the behavior problems, and physical punishment is even worse. There are way too many variables that would allow for me to say, yeah its probably ok to give you give a little hit on the ass. Guess I've learned too much about early childhood development to want to chance fucking that up.
  • slingshot4ever
    vball10set;734552 wrote:sure beats getting hit with a rubber bullet or a taser--hopefully he learned a lesson

    I can speak from experience on the rubber bullets (OSU weekly riots in 2000)
  • tcarrier32
    ccrunner609;735928 wrote:To attack me directly shows your inept ability to have a rational debate. Grow up and try to learn to make your point without degrading the person you are debating with. Its a sure sign that what yu believe cant stand on its on.

    Now back to your opinion on this, the lore of the paddle is all you need in most cases. One kid gets wacks and the rest of the class dynamic shapes up real quick. In EVERY class you have in primary school there is a clown that usually feeds the fire and is a disruption to the educational process during the school day. EVERY TEACHER EVERY DAY HAS TO SPEND VALUABLE TIME DISCIPLINING STUDENTS. In most cases its the same kids. What the paddle does when you paddle the right kid is cuts off the ablility for there buddies to feed of of the clown and make the problem worse.

    This has nothing to do with the personal development or feelings of the student that gets whacked but my original post was talking about how this punishment would improve the education of most classrooms that are constantly being disrupted by that one student who wont behave.

    You understood the message of my post, and were able to respond without a problem, so i'm obviously not too inept. I know every teacher every day has to discipline students. Thats part of the god damn job. As a teacher you are around a child more each day that they are their parents, obviously some babysitting is going to fall into your hands. If you wanted to have a "rational" debate about this, there is no way you would actually win. There is no rational thought in hitting a child, if you are not intelligent enough to discipline a student without the threat of physical violence then you do not belong around children at school. Its such a funny twist that adults do not allow for childish answers to discipline when it comes to other adults/animals, but if its a child then childish acts of punishment (hitting) are deemed to be appropriate.
  • I Wear Pants
    The lack of physical punishment is not the cause of society's or education's woes.
  • dlazz
    oh hay what's going on in this thread
  • clickclickboom
    you guys need to stop writing paragraphs, i don't have the patience to read all that.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    clickclickboom;736223 wrote:you guys need to stop writing paragraphs, i don't have the patience to read all that.

    +1
  • vball10set
    tcarrier32;735884 wrote:fuck you.
    ccrunner609;735928 wrote: fuck you too.
    clickclickboom;736223 wrote:you guys need to stop writing paragraphs, i don't have the patience to read all that.

    is that better? ;)