Cleveland to cut 773 educator jobs

• Benny The Jet

  

  http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_article.aspx?storyid=134616&catid=45
  
  Incredible. Obviously yes it is horrible for the 773 people losing their jobs...but the students are going to suffer big time too...40/1 Student/Teacher ratios
• THE4RINGZ

  

  Seriously, how can you send your kids there and actually expect them to learn something?
  
  Pisses me off that the city now has control over the school system, and makes unnecessary cuts there while the city government falls around their feet in shambles.
  
  Doesn't bode well for the future of the city.
• 2quik4u

  

  at least they are cutting people unlike toledo, who is trying to hold onto everything fucking thing
• wildcats20

  

  I don't care what the class is or is about, 1 teacher cannot successfully teach 40 kids.
• Benny The Jet

  

  wildcats20 wrote: I don't care what the class is or is about, 1 teacher cannot successfully teach 40 kids.

  Fact.
• IggyPride00

  

  When you fund schools based on property taxes , and the country's housing market goes to the shitter, this is the type of thing that happens. Home values fall, less tax revenue comes in, a budget crisis happens, and then tough decisions have to be made.
• 2quik4u

  

  wildcats20 wrote: I don't care what the class is or is about, 1 teacher cannot successfully teach 40 kids.

  ever been to college?
  
  
• wildcats20

  

  2quik4u wrote:

  wildcats20 wrote: I don't care what the class is or is about, 1 teacher cannot successfully teach 40 kids.

  ever been to college?
  
  

  I am studying to be a phys ed teacher. So yeah.
  
  And like I said, successfully...lol
• 2quik4u

  

  wildcats20 wrote:

  2quik4u wrote:

  wildcats20 wrote: I don't care what the class is or is about, 1 teacher cannot successfully teach 40 kids.

  ever been to college?
  
  

  I am studying to be a phys ed teacher. So yeah.
  
  And like I said, successfully...lol

  lol
• Cleveland Buck

  

  Property values in Cleveland didn't fall nearly as much as the rest of the country, because they never climbed as high as the rest of the country. The problem is the economy in the city isn't bringing in enough revenue, and there are a whole host of reasons for that.
• Swamp Fox

  By the time someone gets to college, it is assumed that the basic rudiments of how to be responsible and self sufficient have already been learned. You will not be competing against a few for jobs in this society. You will be competing against many. Not everyone is cut out for college and require more individualized instruction than college level students would (Hypothetically). It is also usually true that a college student has mastered skills such as study regimen, note taking, can read at a relatively high level of cognition, and frankly, doesn't need to be led by the hand and can handle instructions given to a large group and function in that environment. We can't expect the same thing at lower levels of education. At least not the majority of those students.
• Benny The Jet

  

  Swamp Fox wrote: By the time someone gets to college, it is assumed that the basic rudiments of how to be responsible and self sufficient have already been learned. You will not be competing against a few for jobs in this society. You will be competing against many. Not everyone is cut out for college and require more individualized instruction than college level students would (Hypothetically). It is also usually true that a college student has mastered skills such as study regimen, note taking, can read at a relatively high level of cognition, and frankly, doesn't need to be led by the hand and can handle instructions given to a large group and function in that environment. We can't expect the same thing at lower levels of education. At least not the majority of those students.

  Great post...not to mention the 40/1 ratio is expected in only K-2, grades 3-12 are expected to have 45/1 ratio.
• Thunder70

  

  uh oh...there goes Lebron....
• visionquest

  2quik4u wrote:

  wildcats20 wrote: I don't care what the class is or is about, 1 teacher cannot successfully teach 40 kids.

  ever been to college?
  
  

  -Wrong. Teaching 40 college kids that paid to be there is wayyyy different than teaching 40 public school kids. It just is. And, you would know this if you'd ever try and teach 40 kids in a public high school.
  
  -Thanks for posting this article! I'm on my prep and waiting for my next class, which is 32 high school seniors strong, to come in. It's not just Cleveland, it's everywhere.
• redstreak one

  

  I am all for privatizing education. Give me my percentage of property tax and I will use it to send my kids to a private school. While both my wife and I are teachers, we could probably find work in these private schools. They would pop up pretty much around the state, and if we couldnt then we are educated and could find work somewhere.
  
  Think about this those of you wanting private sector to take over. The only money we in Ohio would save would be that percentage of our property taxes that goes toward education. So, I pay about 2800 a year in property taxes, probably 1500 back to me. Now private education would go down because of competion, but lets say that would pay for a year of teaching, doubtful but lets say.
  
  Now, how many own homes in Ohio? Where I am from, right around 60%. So, that means 40% are renting and wont be receiving that tax money back. Now that percentage is by all means usually, and I said usually lower income, so doubtful that they would shell out that 1500 for tuition. But lets say, half do, so now we have 20% of our socitey here not sending kids to school. Not working with them at home, maybe a few, so we end up with nearly 20% uneducated.
  
  What do these uneducated people do, some find menial labor jobs, some welfare, some drug dealers and some rob for a living.
  
  So, in how many generations before that percentage climbs?
• Con_Alma

  More than property taxes pay for education. Your State income tax also has an amount applied to education. We should get that back also.
  
  In addition the property tax on businesses would have to be lowered creating a lower cost of goods sold...eventually this would drive market prices down on certain things creating a lower costs to the Ohio consumer and resulting in more cash-flow in the respective citizens pockets.
  
  All of those things could be applied to your "private education expenses".
  
  Not only would I take that deal but I already see certain benefits in paying for private education for my children without that deal being in place.
• visionquest

  Ok, privatize education...then, how long before the private/charter schools become like the public schools now? You know the government isn't going to simply privatize education, then let the students with no parental involvement not go to school. They'll just give them some kind of tax cut or free money to send those kids somewhere. Where will they go? That's right, to that private school you just sent your son/daughter.
• Con_Alma

  I agree. The government isn't and shouldn't privatize education. I would never advocate that nor did I.
  
  I stated I would like and take the deal redstreak proposed from a financial aspect.
  
  You are assuming some things in your own post. If government was truly privatizing education not all schools would accept all types of students. Defined parameters would be clearly established. This would create a business opportunity to supply educational services to those special needs or disciplinary challenged students...and I bet it wouldn't be cheap!
• redstreak one

  

  It wouldnt be cheap, nobody would teach for say less than 30,000 depending on any benefit package. They would have the overhead of paying for a school, upkeep, insurance, utilities, support staff, teachers, managers or principals if you will. Are you going to bus them, feed them, have extra curriculars? Because these schools arent putting out say a product to sell, the only form of money coming in is tuition, so it wouldnt be cheap.
  
  The government should be in charge of educating the masses, it has been proven that an educated society gets along better. You have less of a class distinction and so on. I was just starting this little offshoot to show an example.
• Con_Alma

  ^^^^
  
  I think that's why we do choose to have public education...isn't it?
• Thunder70

  

  redstreak one wrote: The government should be in charge of educating the masses, it has been proven that an educated society gets along better. You have less of a class distinction and so on. I was just starting this little offshoot to show an example.

  because the government is doing such a bang up job with social security, health care, etc...yeah right...
• visionquest

  A big problem with charter schools, at least up to this point....is that they quite simply HAVE NOT proven their efficacy is that great over public education. You can spout off any stats you wish, but they simply haven't proven, up to this point, to be any better. There are a crap ton of myths about charter education that people are unaware of, or choose not to give credence to.
  
  A few of them: 1. That taking bureucracy out of education is a good thing. Not always! 2. Competition among schools WILL FORCE other schools to "step it up". Nope...doesn't work. 3. Parents want the choice for their kids. Not really...look it up. 4. "But, our charter schools work miracles!" Well, yeah, the ones that work...but, you never hear about the ones that don't work. They are out there, just the friggin' same as public schools.
  
  I'll quit, I feel like I'm getting preachy, and I don't want to.