Obama to bypass the Senate and Appoint Labor Activist Craig Becker to th NLRB

• IggyPride00

  

  Obama is poised to make his first recess appointment it appears and appoint radical liberal labor leader Craig Becker to the NLRB along with a few others the Senate won't confirm.
  
  Expect to hear an outcry from Republicans at Obama thumbing his nose at the prerogative of the Senate again by using the recess appointment, but this argument is sadly undercut by the fact Bush used it over 150 times and there were never cries of outrage on their behalf then of undermining the Senate.
  
  It is a process that should be done away with for both parties, but neither can seem to grow a pair enough to commit to doing it because they want to be able to use it when they are in power.
  
  This guy has been involved with the SEIU, AFL-CIO and all of the major liberal labor groups. He is a champion of EFCA (Employee Free CHoice Act) and will be a major voices for unions.
  
  Liberals have had a very very good week as Obama seemingly can't lose right now when it comes to getting what he wants.
  
  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35093.html
• tk421

  

  Great, just what this country needs more of, labor unions.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  1. Quaker, I doubt you wrote that yourself, so could you reference/ link it?
  
  2. Nothing new. Presidents do this all the time. President Bush did it with John Bolton at the UN. But, are only temporary.
  Also, the R's have held up so many appointments, just like the D's did in the last administration. It is awful how long and torturous the approval process is.
• I Wear Pants

  I actually don't like this, the appointment that is. Unions haven't been needed in most cases for a good while now.
  
  But does Quaker Oats not realize that shouting "Communism!" at everything does nothing to further his cause?
  
  I like opposing viewpoints but I don't think that pounding talking points is going to persuade anyone. Not that this forums purpose is to sway opinions. I see it more as a decent place to have these arguments because the dinner table isn't really suited for raised blood pressure and debate.
• tk421

  

  The Employee Free Choice Act will be deadly to this country is the Democrats are some how able to ram it through.
• I Wear Pants

  tk421 wrote: The Employee Free Choice Act will be deadly to this country is the Democrats are some how able to ram it through.

  I'm unaware of what it is, could you link me to a description or describe it for me? Preferably a neutral article/description so I can gain an opinion for or against it by myself.
• IggyPride00

  

  Is anyone else amazed at the way Obama's presidency has risen from the dead (Hannity does call him the Messiah) the way it has?
  
  Scott Brown was supposed to be the 41st vote to kill off the Obama agenda, and instead all it has done is embolden him.
  
  Apathetic Democrats are now fired up and campaign contributions are pouring in now that HCR has passed.
  
  Could the anti-Obama momentum have peaked on the night Scott Brown won? Democrats are not depressed anymore, and off year elections are all about turnout. If he keeps giving liberals victories and gets them fired up to turn out this might not be the whitewash it would have had HCR not passed.
  
  I have been reading about how the White House likes the feeling right now having passed major legislation and defeated a determined opponent. They are now not scared to take them on again.
  
  What kind of damage can BHO do in another 8 months before elections with the wind at his back?
• I Wear Pants

  IggyPride00 wrote: What kind of damage can BHO do in another 8 months before elections with the wind at his back?

  I'm sure it'll involve baby killing and the apocalypse.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  I don't think so. Historically, it takes administrations a full year to get everyone in and their policies actually implemented. We are just now starting to see the agenda and policies starting to take place.
  
  Also, he is going to have a string of foreign policy successes soon, well he hopes-START, Nuclear Posture Review, Nonproliferation Conference, Iraqi elections and transition (still up in the air), Nuclear Security Summit, and AfPak.
  
  Remember, Reagan, Clinton, Bush all didn't get their policies in place until well into their 2nd year.
• tk421

  

  I Wear Pants wrote:

  tk421 wrote: The Employee Free Choice Act will be deadly to this country is the Democrats are some how able to ram it through.

  I'm unaware of what it is, could you link me to a description or describe it for me? Preferably a neutral article/description so I can gain an opinion for or against it by myself.

  
  I'm not sure what would be considered a "neutral" site, but here is the bill as sent to the House last year.
  
  http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1409/text
  
  Surprisingly, to me at least, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce opposes this bill.
  
  http://www.uschamber.com/issues/index/labor/cardchecksecrbal.htm
  
  You can find multiple sites on Google for or against the bill, but they have a pretty good summary.
  
  The big thing for me, besides the obvious government control, would be ending secret ballots. You just know there would be coercion and bullying of workers if unions could know how they voted.
• I Wear Pants

  Thanks for the links.
  
  I'll have to read up on it but that does seem strange about the ballots. "But unions are for the common man, why would they bully them?" - I'm sure someone somewhere will make that argument.
• IggyPride00

  

  Has anyone seen the new "No You Can't" video staring John Boehner put together after the Healthcare bill passed? It has been making the rounds around liberal sites and MSNBC was playing it a bunch 2 days ago.
  
  The new mantra for Democrats has been to paint the Republicans as not just the party of no, but the party of "Hell NO". Sarah Palin and John McCain reinforced this on the campaign trail today.
  
  Here is the video for everyone's viewing pleasure. It is funny to see coordinated efforts to rub Republicans nose in the failed effort to stop HCR.
  
  
• fish82

  

  IggyPride00 wrote: Is anyone else amazed at the way Obama's presidency has risen from the dead (Hannity does call him the Messiah) the way it has?
  
  Scott Brown was supposed to be the 41st vote to kill off the Obama agenda, and instead all it has done is embolden him.
  
  Apathetic Democrats are now fired up and campaign contributions are pouring in now that HCR has passed.
  
  Could the anti-Obama momentum have peaked on the night Scott Brown won? Democrats are not depressed anymore, and off year elections are all about turnout. If he keeps giving liberals victories and gets them fired up to turn out this might not be the whitewash it would have had HCR not passed.
  
  I have been reading about how the White House likes the feeling right now having passed major legislation and defeated a determined opponent. They are now not scared to take them on again.
  
  What kind of damage can BHO do in another 8 months before elections with the wind at his back?

  Meh. He's had a good week. It's not like he wasn't due for one or anything.
  
  Obviously it's better for him that he got it passed, but I'd give it another couple weeks before I pronounce him on a roll.
• FairwoodKing

  IggyPride00 wrote: Has anyone seen the new "No You Can't" video staring John Boehner put together after the Healthcare bill passed? It has been making the rounds around liberal sites and MSNBC was playing it a bunch 2 days ago.
  
  The new mantra for Democrats has been to paint the Republicans as not just the party of no, but the party of "Hell NO". Sarah Palin and John McCain reinforced this on the campaign trail today.
  
  Here is the video for everyone's viewing pleasure. It is funny to see coordinated efforts to rub Republicans nose in the failed effort to stop HCR.
  
  

  I love this video. It's about time for the Dems to put the goddamn Repubs in their place. All the conservatives have tried to do this past year is to block Obama. They forget (conveniently) that Obama was voted into office to make change. The health care bill is one of those changes. He is simply doing what he promised to do.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  FairwoodKing wrote: I love this video. It's about time for the Dems to put the goddamn Repubs in their place. All the conservatives have tried to do this past year is to block Obama. They forget (conveniently) that Obama was voted into office to make change. The health care bill is one of those changes. He is simply doing what he promised to do.

  
  But alot of people thought he'd be changing some rotten things into good things.
  The healthcare bill just provides the government with ... more government. So, I see no change at all.
  
  Other than that... what has changed?
• tk421

  

  FairwoodKing wrote:

  IggyPride00 wrote: Has anyone seen the new "No You Can't" video staring John Boehner put together after the Healthcare bill passed? It has been making the rounds around liberal sites and MSNBC was playing it a bunch 2 days ago.
  
  The new mantra for Democrats has been to paint the Republicans as not just the party of no, but the party of "Hell NO". Sarah Palin and John McCain reinforced this on the campaign trail today.
  
  Here is the video for everyone's viewing pleasure. It is funny to see coordinated efforts to rub Republicans nose in the failed effort to stop HCR.
  
  

  I love this video. It's about time for the Dems to put the goddamn Repubs in their place. All the conservatives have tried to do this past year is to block Obama. They forget (conveniently) that Obama was voted into office to make change. The health care bill is one of those changes. He is simply doing what he promised to do.

  So the Repubs need to be put into their goddamn place, huh? Questioning the government is no longer allowed? I don't know if you realize it, but 40% of Democrats weren't happy with the bill Obama just passed. You need to get of your high horse and realize that half the country doesn't support Obama.
• NNN

  

  QuakerOats wrote: A Lesson from Communism
  
  When the Communists seized power in Hungary, the
  
  peasants were delighted with the "justice" of having the large
  
  farms confiscated from their owners and given to the
  
  peasants. Later the Communist leaders seized three-fourths
  
  of the peasant land and took it back to set up government
  
  communal farms. Immediately the peasants howled in
  
  protest about their property "rights."
  
  Those who protested too loudly or too long soon found
  
  that they not only lost their land, but also their liberty. If
  
  they continued to protest, they lost their lives.

  Except that's not what happened. The Horthy regime (which ruled between the wars, save for Bela Kun's mercifully short abortion of a dictatorship) was the one that started breaking up the large farms and massive landholders.
  
  The peasants were firmly opposed to communist rule not on the basis that it was communist, but the fact that it was Soviet-enforced through the Rakosi regime. They didn't mind it too much when Imre Nagy was in charge, they were livid when Rakosi and Erno Gero took power, were thrilled when they were deposed, and didn't mind Kadar too much. Kadar was popular not because he wasn't a hardline communist, but because he was the only one who would tell Moscow to stick it up their ass and they couldn't protest.
• FairwoodKing

  tk421 wrote:

  FairwoodKing wrote:

  IggyPride00 wrote: Has anyone seen the new "No You Can't" video staring John Boehner put together after the Healthcare bill passed? It has been making the rounds around liberal sites and MSNBC was playing it a bunch 2 days ago.
  
  The new mantra for Democrats has been to paint the Republicans as not just the party of no, but the party of "Hell NO". Sarah Palin and John McCain reinforced this on the campaign trail today.
  
  Here is the video for everyone's viewing pleasure. It is funny to see coordinated efforts to rub Republicans nose in the failed effort to stop HCR.
  
  

  I love this video. It's about time for the Dems to put the goddamn Repubs in their place. All the conservatives have tried to do this past year is to block Obama. They forget (conveniently) that Obama was voted into office to make change. The health care bill is one of those changes. He is simply doing what he promised to do.

  So the Repubs need to be put into their goddamn place, huh? Questioning the government is no longer allowed? I don't know if you realize it, but 40% of Democrats weren't happy with the bill Obama just passed. You need to get of your high horse and realize that half the country doesn't support Obama.

  More people support Obama than you realize. That's why we voted him in. Just because the tea baggers don't like him doesn't mean a thing to me.
• tk421

  

  FairwoodKing wrote:

  tk421 wrote:

  FairwoodKing wrote:

  IggyPride00 wrote: Has anyone seen the new "No You Can't" video staring John Boehner put together after the Healthcare bill passed? It has been making the rounds around liberal sites and MSNBC was playing it a bunch 2 days ago.
  
  The new mantra for Democrats has been to paint the Republicans as not just the party of no, but the party of "Hell NO". Sarah Palin and John McCain reinforced this on the campaign trail today.
  
  Here is the video for everyone's viewing pleasure. It is funny to see coordinated efforts to rub Republicans nose in the failed effort to stop HCR.
  
  

  I love this video. It's about time for the Dems to put the goddamn Repubs in their place. All the conservatives have tried to do this past year is to block Obama. They forget (conveniently) that Obama was voted into office to make change. The health care bill is one of those changes. He is simply doing what he promised to do.

  So the Repubs need to be put into their goddamn place, huh? Questioning the government is no longer allowed? I don't know if you realize it, but 40% of Democrats weren't happy with the bill Obama just passed. You need to get of your high horse and realize that half the country doesn't support Obama.

  More people support Obama than you realize. That's why we voted him in. Just because the tea baggers don't like him doesn't mean a thing to me.

  So, the 50 million plus people who didn't vote for Obama are all right wing tea baggers? That's nice. You live in a very biased world. Take off your blue tinted glasses.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  ccrunner609 wrote: Obama has shown an uncanny ability to hire or appoint some of the worst people ever in his administration.

  
  QFT!
  
  I've always said he had a bunch of guttersnipes working for him.
  
  I mean, I know he owes groups of people favors for helping him financially and whatnot. But he shouldn't take just whoever they decide to thrust upon him. Being selective would help a bit!
• Writerbuckeye

  

  It's the Chicago Way, folks.
• Swamp Fox

  If half of the American people oppose Obama right now, I can't see this as much of a reason for our Conservative friends to celebrate. The President has successfully withstood the worst shots the Conservatives could think of and now, as another poster points out, there are some things coming in the near future that will re-establish the momentum President Obama had after his election. When those health care changes start to provide some of those folks some long needed health care, the percentages will change and the Tea Party folks will be hard-pressed to defeat an ever more popular President. You really think the people who have worked their whole life and lost their health care are going to support Conservatives who are going to campaign on a "we need to eliminate the current health care law and replace it by starting from scratch?" I think that this will become a recipe for Conservative disaster in 2012. Coming from a family that voted Republican pretty much from Lincoln on, I still can't believe that the 'Tea Party" Group will ever win a majority of Republicans to their side.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Swamp Fox wrote: If half of the American people oppose Obama right now, I can't see this as much of a reason for our Conservative friends to celebrate. The President has successfully withstood the worst shots the Conservatives could think of and now, as another poster points out, there are some things coming in the near future that will re-establish the momentum President Obama had after his election. When those health care changes start to provide some of those folks some long needed health care, the percentages will change and the Tea Party folks will be hard-pressed to defeat an ever more popular President. You really think the people who have worked their whole life and lost their health care are going to support Conservatives who are going to campaign on a "we need to eliminate the current health care law and replace it by starting from scratch?" I think that this will become a recipe for Conservative disaster in 2012. Coming from a family that voted Republican pretty much from Lincoln on, I still can't believe that the 'Tea Party" Group will ever win a majority of Republicans to their side.

  I think it will. Once people wake up and realize how far to port the ship is listing, they generally will always walk to starboard. And vise-versa. People don't like to fall completely overboard.
• IggyPride00

  

  Obama followed through today and made 15 recess appointments, even after all 41 Republicans signed a letter and sent it to him urging him not to for the sake of not further souring relations with Congress.
  
  This should not be surprising though, as Andy Stern was the most frequent White House visitor according to the log books released a while back and you know that part of getting the unions on board was Obama's willingness to appoint a heavily pro-union person to the NLRB.
  
  "This....is what change looks like."
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Remember: this is the president who vowed his administration would be more open and transparent than any in history.
  
  Of course, that was just another lie.
  
  They drip off that man's lips like raindrops off Cherry trees in April.