Trump vs. Hillary (NO OTHER OPTIONS)

• O-Trap

  

  QuakerOats;1815692 wrote:I will do the opposite. Rolling back obamaKare, rolling back obama's shackling regulations, and rolling back corporate taxes will bode well for growth. And if he/we can eliminate further threats and assaults from EPA, IRS, DOL, NLRB, OSHA, and MSHA, we will see incentive return for capex.
  
  The differences between the two candidates could not be more stark in terms of economic growth.

  
• BoatShoes

  like_that;1815661 wrote:I don't think it was an anomaly. The democrats have a lot of flaws. They are just overshadowed during presidential elections due to the GOP being inept when it comes to presidential races.

  It is sort of like how dems dominated congress and the states until 1994 while the gop dominated the presidency. For the foreseeable future GOP in the drivers seat in legislatures and governors mansions while the dems have a solid advantage going for the presidency.
• sleeper

  

  I actually don't buy this. At least not the "five justices" issue. I know the average age of retirement or death, but given the people living longer than in the past, it wouldn't surprise me if it was just Scalia's spot and probably Ginsberg's. Ginsberg is already a Louie, so it's not like picking a liberal justice is a huge change there.

  The court is currently 4-4 and Scalia makes it 5-4 in favorite of the 'louies'. Robert is considered a conservative but he sides with the left more often than not, especially on key rulings.
  
  Kennedy, Ginsburg, and Breyer are up for possible death/retirement over the next 8 years and with the young liberals currently on the court; it'll be blue forever.
• bases_loaded

  

  "I was sexually assaulted by a billionaire who I could easily blackmail or sue and live an easy life, but I'll wait 35 years to say anything until he's running for office then I'll tell my story for free to the New York Times."
  
  ~ Said no woman ever
  
  
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• O-Trap

  

  sleeper;1815734 wrote:The court is currently 4-4 and Scalia makes it 5-4 in favorite of the 'louies'. Robert is considered a conservative but he sides with the left more often than not, especially on key rulings.
  
  Kennedy, Ginsburg, and Breyer are up for possible death/retirement over the next 8 years and with the young liberals currently on the court; it'll be blue forever.

  Breyer and Ginsberg are already Democratic appointees. Replacing them with other Democratic appointees is hardly going to create a shift.
  
  Kennedy may get replaced, but it's not a slam dunk that he goes out during the next four, and if Clinton shits the bed or gets indicted, there's no guarantee she'll get reelected. Ginsberg is still kicking, and she's already almost as old as he'll be during the next election.
  
  Scalia is the biggest issue for Republicans, and he's really the only guarantee for them to cry that the sky is falling for this election.
  

  bases_loaded;1815808 wrote:"I was sexually assaulted by a billionaire who I could easily blackmail or sue and live an easy life, but I'll wait 35 years to say anything until he's running for office then I'll tell my story for free to the New York Times."
  
  ~ Said no woman ever

  Maybe she was paid off. Maybe she was afraid of what a man with few scruples and a lot of money could do to her if she caused him trouble. Maybe the gender climate is different today than it was in the early 1980s (the "one grope rule" was in the '90s even). Hell, maybe she didn't realize how many others had similar stories. Maybe it was a combination of two or more of those.
  
  Painting victims as liars or guilty parties is something Hillary Rodham the lawyer would have done. I hope we're better than that.
• bases_loaded

  

  Maybe it's the only thing the Clinton political machine could come up with to deflect from her wiki leaks issues and the media is running with it.
• BoatShoes

  I get why some people will never vote democrat or Hillary. The Trumpkins are special.
  

  Trump said to watch you precincts. I’m going to go, for sure,” said Steve Webb, a 61-year-old carpenter from Fairfield, Ohio.
  
  “I’ll look for . . . well, it’s called racial profiling. Mexicans. Syrians. People who can’t speak American,” he said. “I’m going to go right up behind them. I’ll do everything legally. I want to see if they are accountable. I’m not going to do anything illegal. I’m going to make them a little bit nervous.”

• BoatShoes

  I get why some people will never vote democrat or Hillary. The Trumpkins are special.
  
  http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Atwitter
  

  Trump said to watch you precincts. I’m going to go, for sure,” said Steve Webb, a 61-year-old carpenter from Fairfield, Ohio.
  
  “I’ll look for . . . well, it’s called racial profiling. Mexicans. Syrians. People who can’t speak American,” he said. “I’m going to go right up behind them. I’ll do everything legally. I want to see if they are accountable. I’m not going to do anything illegal. I’m going to make them a little bit nervous.”

  Had no idea Quaker was from Fairfield
• isadore

  QuakerOats;1815695 wrote:Why would I complain; she is the most qualified person ever for the presidency.

  gosh auddies the truth will set you free.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  BoatShoes;1815833 wrote:I get why some people will never vote democrat or Hillary. The Trumpkins are special.
  
  http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Atwitter
  
  
  
  Had no idea Quaker was from Fairfield

  
  Dear God, that article makes me feel embarrassed to call myself from the state of Ohio.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats;1815673 wrote:Are the current polls capturing voters who will vote this election but are not considered 'likely voters'?

  Depends on the poll and the methodology. Some are better than others. Then, again, if you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know that.
• SportsAndLady

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1815836 wrote:Dear God, that article makes me feel embarrassed to call myself from the state of Ohio.

  I'm now embarrassed knowing you are from the State of Ohio.
• Automatik

  

  This shit show of an election just keeps on giving. TREMENDOUS!
  
  http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-drug-test/index.html
• Heretic

  

  Automatik;1815846 wrote:This shit show of an election just keeps on giving. TREMENDOUS!
  
  http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-drug-test/index.html

  The dude with the coke sniffles wants a drug test? Lol.
• sleeper

  

  O-Trap;1815815 wrote:Breyer and Ginsberg are already Democratic appointees. Replacing them with other Democratic appointees is hardly going to create a shift.
  
  Kennedy may get replaced, but it's not a slam dunk that he goes out during the next four, and if Clinton shits the bed or gets indicted, there's no guarantee she'll get reelected. Ginsberg is still kicking, and she's already almost as old as he'll be during the next election.
  
  Scalia is the biggest issue for Republicans, and he's really the only guarantee for them to cry that the sky is falling for this election.
  
  
  
  Maybe she was paid off. Maybe she was afraid of what a man with few scruples and a lot of money could do to her if she caused him trouble. Maybe the gender climate is different today than it was in the early 1980s (the "one grope rule" was in the '90s even). Hell, maybe she didn't realize how many others had similar stories. Maybe it was a combination of two or more of those.
  
  Painting victims as liars or guilty parties is something Hillary Rodham the lawyer would have done. I hope we're better than that.

  You are missing the point entirely. The court will be 5-4 blue come January 2017 with Roberts a RINO judge making it really 6-3. 6-3 at best case scenario with worst case being 7-2 is a daunting number.
  
  As far as the women, just as we shouldn't call them liars, we also shouldn't just automatically believe it as truth either. Accusations in rape/sexual assault are often treated as guilty until proven innocent and false accusations have ruined plenty of lives. We need to find the balance here.
• gut

  sleeper;1815856 wrote: As far as the women, just as we shouldn't call them liars, we also shouldn't just automatically believe it as truth either. Accusations in rape/sexual assault are often treated as guilty until proven innocent and false accusations have ruined plenty of lives. We need to find the balance here.

  It's really too many, though, to assume some vast conspiracy (although I wouldn't put it past the Clinton machine).
  
  But Trump did it to himself. Assaulting women is NOT locker room talk....but let's remember Trump is 70, so he's a rich "playboy" in the late 60's/70s/80s when that sort of behavior among those types wasn't that uncommon. And just like Slick Willy, Trump probably never matured with the times in that regard.
• sleeper

  

  gut;1815881 wrote:It's really too many, though, to assume some vast conspiracy (although I wouldn't put it past the Clinton machine).
  
  But Trump did it to himself. Assaulting women is NOT locker room talk....but let's remember Trump is 70, so he's a rich "playboy" in the late 60's/70s/80s when that sort of behavior among those types wasn't that uncommon. And just like Slick Willy, Trump probably never matured with the times in that regard.

  
  I don't think there is a vast conspiracy with these women but my comments were more overall on how to treat rape/sexual assault. The claims should be taken seriously but accusations should not equal an automatic assumption of guilt.
• isadore

  sleeper;1815882 wrote:I don't think there is a vast conspiracy with these women but my comments were more overall on how to treat rape/sexual assault. The claims should be taken seriously but accusations should not equal an automatic assumption of guilt.

  unless gosh a ruddies you say "when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything." " Grab them by the *****. You can do anything."
• sleeper

  

  isadore;1815883 wrote:unless gosh a ruddies you say "when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything." " Grab them by the *****. You can do anything."

  Except words like that don't equal conviction for sexual assault, especially in the context in which he said it.
  
  Reality; it's not hard.
• isadore

  sleeper;1815884 wrote:Except words like that don't equal conviction for sexual assault, especially in the context in which he said it.
  
  Reality; it's not hard.

  gosh a ruddies
  
  those words = presumption of guilt
• sleeper

  

  isadore;1815888 wrote:gosh a ruddies
  
  those words = presumption of guilt

  Yeah okay.
  
  BTW Trump's comments make no mention of consent either. If the woman consents, no issue with Trump 'doing whatever he wants' because he's a star.
• isadore

  possibilities for the United States and the World with a Trump Presidency
  1. Most hopeful option early Trump impeachment and removal, but unlikely given Republican control of Congress
  2. World wracked by trade wars, collapse of the western alliance system, nuclear proliferation and world wide depression
  3. Authoritarian dictatorship ruling the United States with all the pillars of representative democracy undermined and cataclysmic racial and ethnic rifts tearing the country
  4. A burned out cinder
• Belly35

  

  i think a drug test before the debates is a good idea ... You have to take a drug test for some Federal job why not before a debate for President.
• Belly35

  

  Michelle Obama stu ... Until you explain Vera Baker stop talking....
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Belly35;1816031 wrote:i think a drug test before the debates is a good idea ... You have to take a drug text for some Federal job why not before a debate for President.

  Sniffles doesn't want a drug test unless they're not screening coke.