Trump vs. Hillary (NO OTHER OPTIONS)

• bases_loaded

  

  Hillary doing what she does best yesterday, buying things with other peoples money to gain something for her. Locking up the college vote with free tuition...ignoring the fact too many people currently go to college, lets increase those numbers at the tax payers expense.
• O-Trap

  

  BoatShoes;1806966 wrote:Just as with small arms laundered through Benghazi to Syrian rebels it is with souls. The Mother Giveth and Taketh Away.

  LOL
  

  QuakerOats;1806983 wrote:Dream on

  Actually, I recall reading earlier this year that none of the five still-living presidents will be endorsing Trump.
  
  It should be four. Clinton shouldn't count, given the conflict of interest.
  
  Still, of the ones mentioned, it doesn't appear that HW or W will be supporting Trump.
  

  ptown_trojans_1;1806990 wrote:Nope, just saying you cannot make the case that is why Trump is losing.
  Trump is losing cause he can't keep his mouth shut and he cannot grow his base of support.

  This. Trump is the one keeping Trump out of office.
  

  ts1227;1806992 wrote:To be fair Ted Nugent is liberal compared to Oats

  If you ask him, Ayn Rand might be left of him.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1806990 wrote:Nope, just saying you cannot make the case that is why Trump is losing.
  Trump is losing cause he can't keep his mouth shut and he cannot grow his base of support.

  As I just said in another thread, you're voting against somebody who says jackassery. You're also voting for somebody who has committed (and is STILL committing) ... jackassery.
  
  There's no excuse for voting for either of them at this point. And if you are, you're putting a party affiliation in front of the greater good. That's really all there is to it.
• QuakerOats

  ptown_trojans_1;1806987 wrote:Seriously?
  
  How about the fact Trump's mouth and his insane ideas are sinking his campaign.
  Face it, people are not buying the bullshit he is spewing.

  
  If you say it is sinking, so be it.
  
  "Insane ideas" ---- such as:
  
  free college for all ...................while we are $20 trillion in debt (half of it in just the last 8 years......without free college)
  
  tax increases on the rich ...............oh really, and that is going to pull us out of repression
  
  tax increases on business...............as if that will prevent further offshoring
  
  expand on obamaKare ................to put the final nails in the coffin of what was once the greatest health care in the world
  
  raise the minimum wage to $15 ..............as if that will solve the problem of 94 million Americans out of work
  
  expand federal regulatory reach ..................... as if we haven't already squelched innovation and investment
  
  shut down the fossil fuel industry ............... kills what jobs are left and skyrocket consumer utility bills
  
  
  
  If you want to talk about truly "insane ideas", please start there. You are so far in the tank and the stranglehold of the big spenders, you have no idea of what reality is anymore.
• Automatik

  

  Reality....this guy gets it.
• QuakerOats

  Automatik;1807006 wrote:Reality....this guy gets it.

  Economics ..............................not your strong suit.
• Automatik

  

  Have you tried sharing your knowledge on politics and the economy elsewhere? Maybe attempt to make a difference aside from blithering on an Ohio sports forum with 13 active members?
• QuakerOats

  Automatik;1807008 wrote:Have you tried sharing your knowledge on politics and the economy elsewhere? Maybe attempt to make a difference aside from blithering on an Ohio sports forum with 13 active members?

  I just practice here
• O-Trap

  

  QuakerOats;1807005 wrote:If you say it is sinking, so be it.
  
  "Insane ideas" ---- such as:
  
  free college for all ...................while we are $20 trillion in debt (half of it in just the last 8 years......without free college)
  
  tax increases on the rich ...............oh really, and that is going to pull us out of repression
  
  tax increases on business...............as if that will prevent further offshoring
  
  expand on obamaKare ................to put the final nails in the coffin of what was once the greatest health care in the world
  
  raise the minimum wage to $15 ..............as if that will solve the problem of 94 million Americans out of work
  
  expand federal regulatory reach ..................... as if we haven't already squelched innovation and investment
  
  shut down the fossil fuel industry ............... kills what jobs are left and skyrocket consumer utility bills
  
  
  
  If you want to talk about truly "insane ideas", please start there. You are so far in the tank and the stranglehold of the big spenders, you have no idea of what reality is anymore.

  This could have all been summed up by saying, "Clinton has ideas that are just as insane."
  
  You didn't really contend with his point, but maybe you didn't mean to.
• Automatik

  

  Really drives it home with the ............................................... I'm convinced now. Astounding.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  CenterBHSFan;1807004 wrote:As I just said in another thread, you're voting against somebody who says jackassery. You're also voting for somebody who has committed (and is STILL committing) ... jackassery.
  
  There's no excuse for voting for either of them at this point. And if you are, you're putting a party affiliation in front of the greater good. That's really all there is to it.

  I like Clinton's FP views and accept she is the lesser of two evils.
  

  QuakerOats;1807005 wrote:If you say it is sinking, so be it.
  
  "Insane ideas" ---- such as:
  
  free college for all ...................while we are $20 trillion in debt (half of it in just the last 8 years......without free college)
  
  tax increases on the rich ...............oh really, and that is going to pull us out of repression
  
  tax increases on business...............as if that will prevent further offshoring
  
  expand on obamaKare ................to put the final nails in the coffin of what was once the greatest health care in the world
  
  raise the minimum wage to $15 ..............as if that will solve the problem of 94 million Americans out of work
  
  expand federal regulatory reach ..................... as if we haven't already squelched innovation and investment
  
  shut down the fossil fuel industry ............... kills what jobs are left and skyrocket consumer utility bills
  
  
  
  If you want to talk about truly "insane ideas", please start there. You are so far in the tank and the stranglehold of the big spenders, you have no idea of what reality is anymore.

  Way to deflect.
  You cannot accept the reality that Trump is losing in every swing state and is on course to be blown out.
  
  Oh, and Clinton released her 2015 Tax returns today. When will Trump release his?
• bases_loaded

  

  How is Hillary the lesser two evils when she has a track record of being one of the most corrupt politicians to ever hold office? Misconstrued quotes is more evil than making capital M millions off world wide charities?
• QuakerOats

  ptown_trojans_1;1807014 wrote:I like Clinton's FP views and accept she is the lesser of two evils.
  
  
  
  Way to deflect.
  You cannot accept the reality that Trump is losing in every swing state and is on course to be blown out.
  
  Oh, and Clinton released her 2015 Tax returns today. When will Trump release his?

  
  If you want to believe he is going to get blown out, that is fine.
  
  As for your comment regarding "insane ideas"; I merely listed just a few of Clinton's; I doubt you can refute that they are indeed insane. Trump's economic ideas on the other hand, make nearly perfect sense. If we are going to begin generating economic growth, the choice is easy.
  
  I know you think Trump is a meanie, but let's discuss the true policy ideas of each candidate, and the insanity will become readily evident.
• Automatik

  

  Trump has yet to provide a ton of details regarding his economic policy. Cato has a few decent talks/articles on the topic though.
  
  http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/good-bad-ugly-donald-trumps-economic-plan
  http://www.cato.org/multimedia/cato-daily-podcast/sparsely-detailed-trump-economic-plan
• like_that

  

  Automatik;1807022 wrote:Trump has yet to provide a ton of details regarding his economic policy. Cato has a few decent talks/articles on the topic though.
  
  http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/good-bad-ugly-donald-trumps-economic-plan
  http://www.cato.org/multimedia/cato-daily-podcast/sparsely-detailed-trump-economic-plan

  He is going to make America great again dumbass.
• bases_loaded

  

  IN 2015 Bill and Hillary gave 1 million to charity. 96% went to the Clinton Foundation. Chelsea makes $900,000 working for the Clinton Foundation. These people are incredible.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  like_that;1807023 wrote:He is going to make America great again dumbass.

  Obviously. 'Merica
  

  bases_loaded;1807042 wrote:IN 2015 Bill and Hillary gave 1 million to charity. 96% went to the Clinton Foundation. Chelsea makes $900,000 working for the Clinton Foundation. These people are incredible.

  Sure we can criticize that. But, at least we know what they gave.
  How much did Trump give to charity and when will we know?
• QuakerOats

  When we will get all the emails?
  
  When will get the truth?
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats;1807044 wrote:When we will get all the emails?
  
  When will get the truth?

  When will get Trump's taxes?
  When will we get the truth on him and his wealth?
  
  Pot meet kettle.
• majorspark

  

  QuakerOats;1807044 wrote:When we will get all the emails?

  I don't think Putin is ready to give up his bargaining chips.
• majorspark

  

  bases_loaded;1807042 wrote:IN 2015 Bill and Hillary gave 1 million to charity. 96% went to the Clinton Foundation. Chelsea makes $900,000 working for the Clinton Foundation. These people are incredible.

  And the rest was donated to Desert Classic Charities whose 2015 tax records show donated $700,000 to the Clinton Foundation.
• QuakerOats

  ptown_trojans_1;1807045 wrote:When will get Trump's taxes?
  When will we get the truth on him and his wealth?

  When she releases her emails and her health records.
• jmog

  ptown_trojans_1;1807045 wrote:When will get Trump's taxes?
  When will we get the truth on him and his wealth?
  
  Pot meet kettle.

  Apples to oranges and you know it.
  
  One has to do with the security of our nation, the other has to do with how rich a person is.
• QuakerOats

  She runs a criminal, money-laundering enterprise, and some on here: a) accept her return at face value, and b) are more worried about the other guy's tax returns. Mind numbing.
  
  
  
  RICO time
• O-Trap

  

  QuakerOats;1807049 wrote:When she releases her emails and her health records.

  Umm ... forcing her to release her health records would be a violation of doctor-patient confidentiality.
  
  Also, why? You think she secretly has cancer and is going to go all Heisenberg if elected?
  
  We could call her Hillsenberg.