Indiana's "Religious Freedom Law"

• iclfan2

  

  I guess I don't understand why a business shouldn't be able to do what it wants in who they serve. Why should they be forced to serve anyone? The market will determine if they stay in business after not serving "blank" class of person.
• justincredible

  

  iclfan2;1717917 wrote:I guess I don't understand why a business shouldn't be able to do what it wants in who they serve. Why should they be forced to serve anyone? The market will determine if they stay in business after not serving "blank" class of person.

  Feelings. That's why.
• sleeper

  

  iclfan2;1717917 wrote:I guess I don't understand why a business shouldn't be able to do what it wants in who they serve. Why should they be forced to serve anyone? The market will determine if they stay in business after not serving "blank" class of person.

  Feelz.
• sleeper

  

  Actually the real answer is people still think this is the Jim Crow era and that discrimination is rampant across society. The reality is, a racist/sexist idiot is in the minority and most people are open and tolerant of people.
  
  Don't tell that to the NAACP or NOW who still want to believe that white males are actively discriminating against black people and women; they need to stir shit up to get their funding from ignorant people for feelz.
• QuakerOats

  The radical left agenda, values, and 'state religion' continue to bulldoze through America. They "will not tolerate" anything less than what they want; to hell with anyone who disagrees or whose religion does not accommodate their wishes.
• superman

  Ytowngirlinfla;1717906 wrote:You really think I'm crying about this? I honestly could careless what Indiana does. I have no reason to ever go there.

  You compared them to Muslims in the middle east.
• ts1227

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1717659 wrote:I just do not see the point of the law. Why is it needed suddenly now?
  What changed so dramatically in Indiana for this now?
  
  Apparently the status quo wasn't good enough?
  When did religion suddenly need saving?

  Because over the past 10 years Christians got pissed off that they didn't have complete control of everything anymore, (as we become less and less religious in general in this country) and are on a rampage to jam it down everyone's throats at every opportunity, including into government.
  
  Basically Christians feel threatened by an increasingly secular US, when they had a stranglehold on it for years.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  QuakerOats;1717928 wrote:The radical right agenda, values, and 'state religion' continue to bulldoze through America. They "will not tolerate" anything less than what they want; to hell with anyone who disagrees or whose religion does not accommodate their wishes.

  Funny how when you just make it right it still applies.
  Left=right, both are just as crazy is what I am finding out about this.
  
  
  I still do not see the point of the law.
  The need simply is not there to me. Is really changing the status quo worth this?
  Is this really that big a deal?
  
  Isn't there more important things to focus on than this?
• QuakerOats

  ^^^ Agree --- there are far, far more important things to be focusing on. However, the dems have found a way to win nationally when they and their media allies create an issue; similar to the last campaign of 'republican war on women'. How ironic that some fairly mundane law emanating from a flyover state (a law that many of states have along with the '93 federal law) just magically vaults to the top of the charts with all the dems and their liberal allies creating a massive fervor out of nowhere with the politically correct crowd of media/academia/law piling right on top in a planned, concerted effort to maintain their assault on anything that could possibly be construed as anti-gay, or whatever it is they are spewing. They will now proceed with making it a wedge issue for anyone running on the republican side pursuant to their plan .........let the demonization begin (again).
• isadore

  Gosh a ruddies this has really been great so far. The Pharisees overthrown. Mike Pence and super majority Republican majority pushed his piece homophobic legislation through the Indiana General Assembly. They made sure nothing would dilute their little bit of bigotry by using the amendment process. They passed pure red meat for tony perkin’s family resource council to throttle those uppity gays. The anti-gay lobbyists had put so much effort into the bill and were so satisfied with the result.
  
  And then the storm hit. It was have killed all those Republican legislators to see Big Business turn on them. I have never been a real big fan of George Stephanopoulos but it was sweet watching him end Mike Pence’s dreams of national office. The smug, self righteous veneer of Pence’s was wiped away. It looks like Asa Hutchinson has learned from Pence’s fiasco.
  
  There is a God.
• QuakerOats

  If you think "Big Business" is mostly supportive of republicans (and conservatives) you are more deranged than I thought. And any 'big business' that is joining the fray and piling on in this matter is merely doing so for politically correct reasons and MONEY -- period.
• QuakerOats

  And of course, the concerted effort to create this issue is no doubt in part to take the focus off the DISASTROUS negotiation in process with Iran by the obama regime and their lapdogs in the media.
• isadore

  QuakerOats;1718021 wrote:If you think "Big Business" is mostly supportive of republicans (and conservatives) you are more deranged than I thought. And any 'big business' that is joining the fray and piling on in this matter is merely doing so for politically correct reasons and MONEY -- period.

  gosh a ruddies the Republicans cut their taxes, deregulate and destroy unions and they get the bulk of corporate money.
• superman

  Can we get all off topic Isadore posts deleted?
  
  Back to the issue at hand.
  The one problem I see with the law is that it creates two tiers of people. The religious and the irreligious. Laws should never create inequalities.
• isadore

  QuakerOats;1718022 wrote:And of course, the concerted effort to create this issue is no doubt in part to take the focus off the DISASTROUS negotiation in process with Iran by the obama regime and their lapdogs in the media.

  tsk, tsk you bitter little man, unhappy because their limiting your ways to gay bash.
• isadore

  superman;1718032 wrote:Can we get all off topic Isadore posts deleted?
  
  Back to the issue at hand.
  The one problem I see with the law is that it creates two tiers of people. The religious and the irreligious. Laws should never create inequalities.

  gosh a ruddies you are just sad about losing your echo chamber for bigotry.
• isadore

  superman;1717655 wrote:Gay agenda bullies win again.

  gosh a ruddies gay bashing
• isadore

  superman;1717666 wrote:Because slowly but surely religious freedoms are being eroded. if a gay couple can sue a bakery for not making them a cake, where does it stop? What keeps some rogue judge from declaring that churches are a public accommodation and they have to allow gays to get married there?
  What keeps a business owner from telling his Muslim employees that they have to shave their beards to keep their jobs?
  The RFRA is needed for cases like this.

  a rogue judge issuing any opinion is not a long range problem, they are overruled on a regular basis by higher courts But of course that is not important to someone more interested in gay bashing than fact.
• isadore

  HitsRus;1717677 wrote:The governor is not backpedaling so much as he trying to clarify that the law can't be misconstrued or (more accurately)mischaracterized.

  no he is backpedaling
• isadore

  HitsRus;1717690 wrote:

  [Gay agenda bullies win again/QUOTE]
  
  The law is as much a reaction to "bullying" not just by LGBT community, but atheists and other "progressives" extending their rights by the government hammer against the rights of other groups. The law deals with the intersection of these rights.... non discrimination versus forcing one to violate the principles or practice of their religion.
  
  
  
  In the past, I would suspect these laws wouldn't have been necessary, because most people would understand that people should not be expected nor required to act contrary to their beliefs and every one acted accordingly. Activists have skewed common sense, and the lack of civility has caused backlash and a need for limits of one's expansion of rights against anothers.

  it is all about this
  " the power to take away the liberty of an individual to run his business as he sees fit in the selection and choice of his customers"

• WebFire

  Well this was a decent thread. Thanks for ruining it isadore.
• SportsAndLady

  

  WebFire;1718050 wrote:Well this was a decent thread. Thanks for ruining it isadore.

  Yep.
  
  Mods might as well shut this down.
• Heretic

  

  No more izzy thread-shitting here, peeps!
  
  I'll check in tomorrow. If QQuaker is still doing batshit crazy "THIS IS ONLY AN ISSUE BECAUSE OBAMA IRAN STUFF!!!!" shit, he's next!
• justincredible

  

  Cleaned up all of isadore's garbage.
• believer

  

  WebFire;1717808 wrote:So, we need to use common sense when it comes to this stuff, but since no one seems to have any anymore, we have to have laws that people then lack common sense to interpret correctly, and make a big fucking deal out of nothing.

  this