Dick Cheney--Idiot

• fish82

  

  95% of the blame for the current Iraq situation lies with....Iraq. They set the deadline, and insisted we leave when we did.
  
  Pretty sure the other 5% lies with some girl in Weirton.
• Mohican00

  

  HitsRus;1628556 wrote:Seriously dude? The heavy work was already done. All he had to do was manage it and not neglect it.
  
  You don't like baseball analogies... let's try this.
  
  You (your country) decides to plant a garden....You plow it, plant your seeds (of democracy), and clear out all the weeds.
  Now once that is done, it's easy to keep the weeds down with minimal work so your plants can grow and take root. But if you neglect it, the weeds come back, and when they come back they take over fast and now you have a mess and your plants are stifled or dead.
  
  That's what happened here. Now I'm not talking or debating whether or not the 'garden' should have been put in in the first place. That decision is a decade plus old and GWB is 6 years in the rear view mirror. I'm talking about how it has been handled since....and the results have not been pretty. How could it have been handled differently? That is what the president's job is, that is what his State Departments job is....and backed if necessary, by the credible threat of application of force, to apply leverage to a situation such that the outcome is in our national interest. To that, this administration has been woefully inadequate and inept.
  
  Power vacuum? Of course there is a power vacuum.....you have the major world power in full retreat. Others (especially those that are unfriendly to us) are going to move in and flourish. That's the way the world operates. LOL if you think differently.

  That's a woefully inadequate simplification of the situation. "Plant seeds of democracy" - that's some hippie bullshit. Do you really expect the current administration to just ignore public sentiment and just shove freedom down johnny jihad's throat? I mean hell we might as well go back to Saigon and finish the job. Please try explaining our national interest to a fed up public.
  
  I'm all for a seeing a process through until the end but within reason. To me this is or was a situation with no real potential for a happy conclusion and apparently it's also low hanging fruit for BHO dissenters.
• cruiser_96

  

  fish82: after reading 95% I thought about posting "more like 99.9%". Then I saw where the other 5% went.
  
  Reps to you, good sir.
• HitsRus

  

  95% of the blame for the current Iraq situation lies with....Iraq. They set the deadline, and insisted we leave when we did.

  who's the world superpower here? If a 10 year old told you do something that wasn't right, would you do it?
  

  Pretty sure the other 5% lies with some girl in Weirton

  Pretty sure at least the other 5%.... probably more like 25-50%... lies with a girl from Wellesley.
• cruiser_96

  

  ccrunner609;1628569 wrote:We cant solve what is going on in there, we cant solve anything in the future. Chopping that country into 3 regions is the only solution. A central government wont get it done. split it in 3 and split the oil revenue and everyone will be happy.

  I've got some ocean-front property in Arizona. From my house you can see the sea.
  
  Goldengate bridge, anyone???
• HitsRus

  

  That's a woefully inadequate simplification of the situation.

  I agree...I was just trying to put it in a form you could understand. There is a ton of reasons dating back into the Clinton administration as to why Saadaam needed to be removed, and the thought process was to allow a relatively secular society become an island of freedom and democracy. We could debate that for sure, but that's way in the rearview mirror. Now , at best, it never came close to that, but at least it was stable when GWB left. BHO has let it become a cluster f***.
• Belly35

  

  Term limit is a must of America politics... If you are a vote this should be a demand ... Congress and senate is not a career position...
  
  congress and senate are like a baby diaper it needs to be changed for the same reasons ....
• Mohican00

  

  HitsRus;1628575 wrote:I agree...I was just trying to put it in a form you could understand. There is a ton of reasons dating back into the Clinton administration as to why Saadaam needed to be removed, and the thought process was to allow a relatively secular society become an island of freedom and democracy. We could debate that for sure, but that's way in the rearview mirror. Now , at best, it never came close to that, but at least it was stable when GWB left. BHO has let it become a cluster f***.

  So in other words, you have no idea what should have been done but are eager to shit on this administration in a difficult situation because it supports your political affiliation? Occupation is a funny way to spell 'stable.'
  

  There is a ton of reasons

  I is sure there are too
• HitsRus

  

  Sorry for the typo. You are very observant. So how do you miss what's in front of your face?
  

  you have no idea what should have been done but are eager to shit on this administration in a difficult situation because it supports your political affiliation?

  
  Why would I or anybody on this board have any idea what should have been done. I'm not privy to intelligence reports. I'm not privy to military capabilities. But c'mon...after such a huge investment, we just walk away with no contingency plans and let it go to shit? Nobody foresaw this? I've not spared GWB from any criticism so why do YOU make it political? I'll tell you why...you have got no good answers and it's the only excuse you can muster for the negligence.
• Mohican00

  

  HitsRus;1628589 wrote:Why would I or anybody on this board have any idea what should have been done. I'm not privy to intelligence reports. I'm not privy to military capabilities. But c'mon...after such a huge investment, we just walk away with no contingency plans and let it go to shit? Nobody foresaw this? I've not spared GWB from any criticism so why do YOU make it political? I'll tell you why...you have got no good answers and it's the only excuse you can muster for the negligence.

  It was a failure to begin with....I don't care what administration is in office post GWB, this was never going to end well. Contingency plans? Outside of making Iraq the 51st state what is going to work?
  
  And I don't for a second believe you would support continuous occupation after 11 years and trillions on something that will never come to fruition (autonomous democratic Iraq). Bottom line: there was no desirable outcome from the war to begin with so any decision made by the current administration would be looked at as unfavorable by hatin ass haters
• HitsRus

  

  I don't care what administration is in office post GWB, this was never going to end well

  We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
• gut

  Mohican00;1628551 wrote:What exactly did he whiff on? The odds of success from the situation he inherited were minimal. And I'm sure if you have a better suggestion on what should be done write him a fucking letter.

  Well, the economy, healthcare, Iraq....to name a few. The economy stabilized and bottomed shortly after he took office, but he still blames Bush for that. He had a huge popular mandate and near supermajority in Congress...and look at all he's accomplished.
  
  He had an economy poised to bounce back and two wars ready to be ended in victory...It doesn't get much better than that.
  
  As for Iraq, believe who you want but Cheney's perspective is we have negotiated some 45+ such agreements and Iraq wanted us there and still wants us there...Obama just didn't get it done. W would not have pulled out like that with his military commanders advising against it. This is Obama the populist letting the polls drive his decision making, when he's actually bothered to get involved in something.
• isadore

  gut;1628638 wrote:Well, the economy, healthcare, Iraq....to name a few. The economy stabilized and bottomed shortly after he took office, but he still blames Bush for that. He had a huge popular mandate and near supermajority in Congress...and look at all he's accomplished.
  
  He had an economy poised to bounce back and two wars ready to be ended in victory...It doesn't get much better than that.
  
  As for Iraq, believe who you want but Cheney's perspective is we have negotiated some 45+ such agreements and Iraq wanted us there and still wants us there...Obama just didn't get it done. W would not have pulled out like that with his military commanders advising against it. This is Obama the populist letting the polls drive his decision making, when he's actually bothered to get involved in something.

  Obama’s healthcare plan is becoming increasingly popular.
  Bush handed over to Obama the worse economic situation in decades. The nation was limited in what could be done to fight it based on Bush’s use of tax cut, the deregulation of the financial system and the overuse of monetary tools to stimulate the economy by Bush’s man Greenspan.
  We were nowhere near victory in Afghanistan, in fact the situation was worsening based on the Administration incompetence.
  In Iraq the Bush Administration failed to negotiate a status of forces Agreement with a residual force that had the protection of no prosecution by Iraqi courts, a basic protection for our troops. They did not do it even with the success of the surge because of their ineptitude and Iraqi intransigence.
• Footwedge

  Mohican00;1628599 wrote:It was a failure to begin with....I don't care what administration is in office post GWB, this was never going to end well. Contingency plans? Outside of making Iraq the 51st state what is going to work?
  
  And I don't for a second believe you would support continuous occupation after 11 years and trillions on something that will never come to fruition (autonomous democratic Iraq). Bottom line: there was no desirable outcome from the war to begin with so any decision made by the current administration would be looked at as unfavorable by hatin ass haters

  Well stated. The American people by a huge majority wanted our troops the fuck out of Iraq. The huge majority of Americans, through research and due diligence also understand that the invasion was a huge mistake. Obama did the right thing by pulling the plug. The only thing he did wrong is that he waited too long in doing so.
  
  No...this present mess is exactly what should have been forecasted whenever Bush et al initiated this nonsensical war. People like Cheney...OF ALL PEOPLE....need to eat a bucket of STFU when it comes to any discussion regarding Iraqi foreign policy. Cheney and his ilk are the people responsible for the mess over there. To my bud Hits R Us...come on man...logic...reason.... rationale...will tell you Obama should be held blameless. The American people en masse supported Obama's withdrawal.
• Classyposter58

  

  Footwedge;1628408 wrote:Only in America can an imbecile like him write the following in a WSJ op-ed......."Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many."
  
  He...of all people. Nobody was more wrong than dickless Cheney...and his claims of Iraq's WMD. Lucipher has your room clean and ready for you Dick. Enjoy your afterlife.

  Haha I'll give you that one. He was wrong about quite a bit, especially WMD's in Iraq. But he is correct, Obama has shown nothing but ineptness which has been pretty disappointing. Hell even Hitler brought Germany out of a recession
• gut

  I was going to say that Bush/Cheney wouldn't have lied about WMD when the truth would so obviously come out...But then I remembered ACA and all the "promises" Obama made.
  
  There's a lot to criticize W for...the WMD thing really isn't one of them.
• pmoney25

  

  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rand-paul-blame-dick-cheney-for-iraq-violence-not-president-obama/
  
  
  Will be interesting to see what this will do for Paul. The establishment neo cons are not going to be happy
• QuakerOats

  So let me get this straight; after 6 years it is finally no longer Bush's fault; it is Cheney's fault.
  
  
  
  
  
  The shell game continues, while the obama regime plunges the nation into the abyss.
• pmoney25

  

  QuakerOats;1629156 wrote:So let me get this straight; after 6 years it is finally no longer Bush's fault; it is Cheney's fault.
  
  
  
  
  
  The shell game continues, while the obama regime plunges the nation into the abyss.

  so Rand Paul is a member of the Obama regime?
• QuakerOats

  The obama regime has not one accomplishment, so they fill the void by blaming EVERYTHING on someone, or something, else. It is getting so old it is nearly comical.
• pmoney25

  

  QuakerOats;1629188 wrote:The obama regime has not one accomplishment, so they fill the void by blaming EVERYTHING on someone, or something, else. It is getting so old it is nearly comical.

  I agree but this isn't Obama blaming anyone, it is a possible republican candidate for president.
• QuakerOats

  I understand, and I think Mr. Paul has a number of good points; I just think the last paragraph of the article is much closer to right in this case.
• HitsRus

  

  As usual, Charles Krauthammer nails it....
  
  http://www.chicagotribune.com/site/ct-oped-krauthammer-0623-20140623-27,0,3813544.story
  
  

  We’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people. We’re building a new partnership between our nations. And we are ending a war not with a final battle, but with a final march toward home.

  ----Barack Obama, 2011
• QuakerOats

  Megan Kelly interviewed the deputy spokeswoman for national security last night. It is understandable why we are where we are right now; we have a bunch of inept, inexperienced, progressive millennials in charge of national security under the direction of a completely inept, inexperienced, marxist community activist. John McCain was clearly correct the other day when he pleaded for the removal of the entire national security team. It is tragic how far we have fallen.
• isadore

  QuakerOats;1629315 wrote:Megan Kelly interviewed the deputy spokeswoman for national security last night. It is understandable why we are where we are right now; we have a bunch of inept, inexperienced, progressive millennials in charge of national security under the direction of a completely inept, inexperienced, marxist community activist. John McCain was clearly correct the other day when he pleaded for the removal of the entire national security team. It is tragic how far we have fallen.

  gosh a ruddies and how about these supposedly experienced conservatives in charge of national securityick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condaleza Rice, Paul Dundes Wolfowitz, Paul Bremer, Douglas Feith