IRS can read your emails and text messages...WITHOUT A WARRANT!?

• jmog

  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/11/irs-tells-agents-it-can-snoop-on-emails-without-warrant-internal-documents-show/
  
  I know, faux news, but the reports are real and yes, there is some opinion in there.
  
  How is this NOT alarming? At least the ACLU, a VERY liberal group is the one who unearthed this...there is no way anyone on either side of the isle can be "ok" with this right?
• justincredible

  

  ccrunner609;1423845 wrote:Well if the IRS is reading this:
  
  "go fuck yourself"

  This.
• tk421

  

  Does anyone honestly think that every single email sent is not read by at least one government agency? I've got an idea, someone send an email saying something about the President and see how long it takes for the SS to show up at your door. The idea that we have ANY privacy is stupid. Every single phone call, every single email, every single text is read and stored by the government.
• gut

  tk421;1423862 wrote: Every single phone call, every single email, every single text is read and stored by the government.

  I'm not sure I'm all-in on that, but I think the computer in "Person of Interest" could be real, sans the predictive ability. By that I mean I do think an army of computers is scanning all communications for key words. Although I'd be surprised if they really have the resources to get all cellular, even landline, comm.
• tk421

  

  You do know that the NSA is building a data center in Utah that is going to be used for that very purpose? Every single electronic signal sent is going to be intercepted and analyzed and stored. We have no privacy. It may be illegal under federal law for any agency to spy on Americans citizens, but have no doubt that it happens and every single day. The government doesn't give a damn about the law.
• gut

  tk421;1423868 wrote:You do know that the NSA is building a data center in Utah that is going to be used for that very purpose? Every single electronic signal sent is going to be intercepted and analyzed and stored. We have no privacy. It may be illegal under federal law for any agency to spy on Americans citizens, but have no doubt that it happens and every single day. The government doesn't give a damn about the law.

  You mean the whopping $2B they're spending on that thing? Given the massive inefficiency of our gubmit, that might be enough to catalog all the communications of one small city.
• tk421

  

  http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/
  
  Every single communication over the internet in this country is monitored, they have taps on all the switching stations. It's very real, there is no privacy. You say anything that is on a watch list over the internet, and you are going to get a visit from federal agencies. The constitution is meaningless.
• gut

  So what your saying is if they want a history of all my cellphone convos, they just call up NSA to order a USB for port 70001899111XYACE2341? Bullshit
  
  Some day. But not yet. The Patriot Act and all the wiretapping garbage wouldn't really be an issue if they could just go push play on an answering machine.
• believer

  

  The prospect of the Feds eavesdropping on all our personal communications is disturbing, but not surprising.
  
  Quite frankly even if Big Gubmint thinks it's above the law by collecting private communications by all Americans I could give a tinker's damn.
  
  Even though I've been paying taxes since I was 15 years old, have 2 honorable military discharges, have a college degree, have raised 4 well-rounded kids, and have served in management for a well-respected American-based company for 30 years I'm still considered a potential domestic terrorist by the DHS and the United States Army because I happen to have a Biblical belief in Jesus Christ (IE: I'm a white evangelical Christian).
  
  There's no question in my mind that our government is out of control and run by exponential idiots.
  
  Aw crap....I just made another list!
• believer

  

  The prospect of the Feds eavesdropping on our personal communications is disturbing, but not surprising.
  
  Quite frankly even if Big Gubmint thinks it's above the law by collecting private communications by all Americans I could give a tinker's damn.
  
  Despite the fact that I've been paying taxes since I was 15 years old, have 2 honorable military discharges, have a college degree, have raised 4 well-rounded kids, and have served in management for a well-respected American-based company for 30 years, I'm still considered a potential domestic terrorist by the DHS and the United States Army because I happen to have a narrow-minded and subversive Biblical belief in the radical teachings of Jesus Christ (IE: I'm a white evangelical Christian).
  
  There's no question in my mind that our government is out of control and run by exponential idiots.
  
  Aw crap....I just made another list!
• ernest_t_bass

  

  believer;1423878 wrote:The prospect of the Feds eavesdropping on our personal communications is disturbing, but not surprising.
  
  Quite frankly even if Big Gubmint thinks it's above the law by collecting private communications by all Americans I could give a tinker's damn.
  
  Despite the fact that I've been paying taxes since I was 15 years old, have 2 honorable military discharges, have a college degree, have raised 4 well-rounded kids, and have served in management for a well-respected American-based company for 30 years, I'm still considered a potential domestic terrorist by the DHS and the United States Army because I happen to have a narrow-minded and subversive Biblical belief in the radical teachings of Jesus Christ (IE: I'm a white evangelical Christian).
  
  There's no question in my mind that our government is out of control and run by exponential idiots.
  
  Aw crap....I just made another list!

  
  Reps when I get to a computer.
• jmog

  believer;1423878 wrote:The prospect of the Feds eavesdropping on our personal communications is disturbing, but not surprising.
  
  Quite frankly even if Big Gubmint thinks it's above the law by collecting private communications by all Americans I could give a tinker's damn.
  
  Despite the fact that I've been paying taxes since I was 15 years old, have 2 honorable military discharges, have a college degree, have raised 4 well-rounded kids, and have served in management for a well-respected American-based company for 30 years, I'm still considered a potential domestic terrorist by the DHS and the United States Army because I happen to have a narrow-minded and subversive Biblical belief in the radical teachings of Jesus Christ (IE: I'm a white evangelical Christian).
  
  There's no question in my mind that our government is out of control and run by exponential idiots.
  
  Aw crap....I just made another list!

  Reps, in the same boat just about 20 years younger. Kids still growing and only been working for about 18 years.
• queencitybuckeye

  gut;1423870 wrote:You mean the whopping $2B they're spending on that thing? Given the massive inefficiency of our gubmit, that might be enough to catalog all the communications of one small city.

  Originally read this as $28, but the point is valid either way.
• FatHobbit

  

  If they monitor everything, imagine how much time/money is wasted reading the txts of teenage girls.
• jmog

  They don't physically monitor everything with a human. They have computers looking for key words that would flag someone to actually read it and assess the threat level (that's roughly how the NSA screening works for emails, internet messages, texts, phone calls, etc).
  
  I'm ok with that, but if the IRS wants to audit me they should have to get a warrant to look through my phone/emails.
• Belly35

  

  believer;1423878 wrote:The prospect of the Feds eavesdropping on our personal communications is disturbing, but not surprising.
  
  Quite frankly even if Big Gubmint thinks it's above the law by collecting private communications by all Americans I could give a tinker's damn.
  
  Despite the fact that I've been paying taxes since I was 15 years old, have 2 honorable military discharges, have a college degree, have raised 4 well-rounded kids, and have served in management for a well-respected American-based company for 30 years, I'm still considered a potential domestic terrorist by the DHS and the United States Army because I happen to have a narrow-minded and subversive Biblical belief in the radical teachings of Jesus Christ (IE: I'm a white evangelical Christian).
  
  There's no question in my mind that our government is out of control and run by exponential idiots.
  
  Aw crap....I just made another list!

  
  I have a feeling I been on this Shit list a long time... :laugh:
  
  I'm type in code from now on:
  
  I has a feeding me bee on the crapper piss a lung tame
• justincredible

  

  Belly35;1423978 wrote:I have a feeling I been on this Shit list a long time... :laugh:
  
  I'm type in code from now on:
  
  I has a feeding me bee on the crapper piss a lung tame

  Looks like a normal Belly post.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  Belly35;1423978 wrote:I have a feeling I been on this Shit list a long time... :laugh:
  
  I'm type in code from now on:
  
  I has a feeding me bee on the crapper piss a lung tame

  Belly, I promise you, the computers won't recognize SHIT from your typing!
• QuakerOats

  I assume the same invasion privileges will be granted to the tens of thousands of obamaKare 'navigators' as well.
  
  
  Congratulations to the 65 million utter morons who voted for this, again.
  
  
  Change we can believe in ...
• gut

  Are people really dumb enough to send emails like this to their accountant?
  
  "BILL, DID YOU REMEMBER TO DEDUCT MY WIFE'S CAR AND THAT NEW 80" PLASMA????"
• gut

  LMAO, gubmit can snoop anything from any electronic device you use...still can't stop spam.
• justincredible

  

  
• Zombaypirate

  jmog;1423839 wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/11/irs-tells-agents-it-can-snoop-on-emails-without-warrant-internal-documents-show/
  
  I know, faux news, but the reports are real and yes, there is some opinion in there.
  
  How is this NOT alarming? At least the ACLU, a VERY liberal group is the one who unearthed this...there is no way anyone on either side of the isle can be "ok" with this right?

  the ACLU is a GREAT member of our society not liberal that is the idiocy of fascists talking. It is very alarming in the name of security (thank you conservatives) we are giving away our liberty. The polarization in this country needs to stop. The government has polarized the majority of US citizens enough to allow them to screw this country up, almost beyond repair. Keep championing that patriot act you idiots. LMAO this is what happens to morons.
• believer

  

  Zombaypirate;1424602 wrote:the ACLU is a GREAT member of our society not liberal that is the idiocy of fascists talking.

  The ACLU is a leftist nut-case organization. Make no mistake about that.
• O-Trap

  

  I think the surprise for me was that it's saying the IRS can do this. I've believed the CIA/FBA/NSA/DOD/DHS were doing it already, so that's not a surprise. The IRS, though?
  
  They're spending a bunch of money on the building and maintenance of an infrastructure to make sure they're not missing any money collected in taxes ... does that sound about right?
  
  The thing with that is, that's not something you're going to be able to defend under the already-abused claim of "national security." The IRS isn't involved in providing for the common defense except in finding new ways to squeeze the public in order to pay for all of this "defense."
  
  I guess I'm not surprised, but it's still upsetting.
  
  Oh, I forgot. "If you're not breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about." My mistake.