Boehner needs toi go

• IggyPride00

  

  After tonight's fiasco it is time Boehner resign his post as speaker of the house.
  
  He clearly has no control of his caucus, so having him try and negotiate anything is pointless because he can't get anything passed.
  
  It is making the party look bad.
  
  Not to mention this continued dysfunction sends a bad message to the world that we can't even govern ourselves anymore. The ratings agencies are discussing another downgrade of our credit should we go over the cliff because it is a sign of instability in the U.S that we can't even make a deal to avoid a sure fire recession that the world doesn't need right now.
  
  It's the fiscal cliff now, the debt ceiling in a few months. Why would any foreign country want to invest here when the only assurance anymore is constant drama and turning everything into a blood fight. We used to be considered the safest country in the world to invest in because of our political system, now we fight every year about whether we are going to pay our credit card bills or not for shit we already bought. We are acting like a 3rd world nation and it is embarrassing.
  
  This whole kabuki dance thing has worn outs its welcome.
• IggyPride00

  

  Stock futures in overnight trading are down almost 200 points now and will open up down big tomorrow morning, and Asian markets are down as well on the failure of the vote.
  
  It is likely that if we see a healthy drop in the market over the next week that it should make some Congress critters reconsider.
• stlouiedipalma

  It's obvious that Boehner doesn't have the clout as Speaker that even Nancy Pelosi had. It used to be that the Speaker moved legislation and his caucus followed suit. This is a direct result of the R's going to bed with the tea party nuts. They care more about blowing up the system than they do about governing and he can't deal with it.
• QuakerOats

  ccrunner609;1348370 wrote:here is who needs to go......Harry Reid is the largest political hack this country has ever seen

  Understatement.
• QuakerOats

  stlouiedipalma;1348383 wrote:... This is a direct result of the R's going to bed with the tea party nuts. They care more about blowing up the system than they do about governing and he can't deal with it.

  Stunning. You know the nation is in deep trouble when the defenders of liberty and advocates of fiscal sanity are labeled "nuts", and worse, continuously vilified and denigrated. Incredible. The idiot in the WH and the idiot at the top of the Senate have done more economic damage than any other tandem in the history of the nation. It is time you and yours OWN IT.
• gut

  QuakerOats;1348391 wrote:Stunning. You know the nation is in deep trouble when the defenders of liberty and advocates of fiscal sanity are labeled "nuts", and worse, continuously vilified and denigrated. Incredible. The idiot in the WH and the idiot at the top of the Senate have done more economic damage than any other tandem in the history of the nation. It is time you and yours OWN IT.

  Seriously....Literally like a bunch of whining kids over not getting their allowance increased.
  
  They caved on the debt ceiling deal and were labeled financial terrorists. So I guess this is where they are making their stand. I do think it's a mistake as I don't think Reid/Obama were going to do anything with it. So all they really accomplished is to further undermine an already weak Repub position.
• IggyPride00

  

  Retiring Ohio Congressman Steve Latourette let loose on his disgust over the refusal to pass Boehners bill.
  

  But for those individuals skeptical of &#8220lan B,” pulling the bill was a show of weakness on the part of the GOP leadership – hence the shock in the room when Boehner announced the decision to go home, Rep. Steve LaTourette (R-Ohio) told The Hill.
  
  "A mixture of being stunned and, well, disbelief was the overriding emotion. And anger, you're going to get people who are angry," he said.
  
  LaTourette, a longtime Boehner ally, was visibly frustrated by the development.
  "It weakens the entire Republican Party…It's the continuing dumbing down of the Republican Party, and we are going to be seen more and more as a bunch of extremists that can't even get a majority of our people to support our own policies that we're putting forward," he said. "If you're not a governing majority, you're not going to be a majority very long."
  
  
  As for Boehner’s standing within his own conference, LaTourette said he didn’t think the Speakership was in jeopardy.
  “It’s like saying the superintendent of an insane asylum should be discharged because he couldn’t control the crazy people. That’s nuts,” the outgoing lawmaker told reporters.
  

  http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/274201-boehner-offers-prayer-before-announcing-defeat-of-plan-b
• gut

  He probably should have had the vote. Because Dems have a tough time pointing the finger when they don't vote for it, either.
• tk421

  

  when's the last time Reid has allowed a budget vote? He has no room to talk
• IggyPride00

  

  tk421;1348411 wrote:when's the last time Reid has allowed a budget vote? He has no room to talk

  It was last year I think and it failed like 99-0. It was the one the President sent them.
• gut

  Harry Reid is easily the worst in my lifetime. We've never had such a partisan political hack - he honestly makes Obama look good.
  
  But this thread might not be that off-target with regard to Boehner's leadership. Where he stepped on it here was probably not attaching spending cuts to it which could, understandably, cost him a few dozen votes or more.
  
  The underlying message is: no more blank checks. I fully support that.
• James Gatz

  I wonder if he cried again
• BoatShoes

  gut;1348419 wrote: Where he stepped on it here was probably not attaching spending cuts to it which could, understandably, cost him a few dozen votes or more.
  
  The underlying message is: no more blank checks. I fully support that.

  Well they did pass the "Sequester Replacement Bill" 215 - 209 before he decided not to take the tax plan up for a vote. That bill replaced the defense spending cuts with "domestic spending cuts" but the reports I read didn't offer much detail beyond that.
• BoatShoes

  QuakerOats;1348391 wrote:Stunning. You know the nation is in deep trouble when the defenders of liberty and advocates of fiscal sanity are labeled "nuts", and worse, continuously vilified and denigrated. Incredible. The idiot in the WH and the idiot at the top of the Senate have done more economic damage than any other tandem in the history of the nation. It is time you and yours OWN IT.

  Well since you "advocate fiscal sanity" so much, you ought to be happy because what the Republicans couldn't pass today would've looked more like the light blue but now it appears we'll be getting the red. Have a party!
  
  
• BoatShoes

  Meanwhile, yields on 10-year U.S. government bonds have gone even lower to 1.76. Despite a government that is barely functioning, investors are willing to lend us money for next to nothing even while Ben Bernanke is wearing out the printing press.
• IggyPride00

  

  James Gatz;1348425 wrote:I wonder if he cried again

  He literally said the Serenity prayer in front of the conference when it became clear there was no reasoning with some of them.
• jhay78

  

  IggyPride00;1348320 wrote:After tonight's fiasco it is time Boehner resign his post as speaker of the house.
  
  He clearly has no control of his caucus, so having him try and negotiate anything is pointless because he can't get anything passed.
  
  It is making the party look bad.
  
  Not to mention this continued dysfunction sends a bad message to the world that we can't even govern ourselves anymore. The ratings agencies are discussing another downgrade of our credit should we go over the cliff because it is a sign of instability in the U.S that we can't even make a deal to avoid a sure fire recession that the world doesn't need right now.
  
  It's the fiscal cliff now, the debt ceiling in a few months. Why would any foreign country want to invest here when the only assurance anymore is constant drama and turning everything into a blood fight. We used to be considered the safest country in the world to invest in because of our political system, now we fight every year about whether we are going to pay our credit card bills or not for **** we already bought. We are acting like a 3rd world nation and it is embarrassing.
  
  This whole kabuki dance thing has worn outs its welcome.

  If those are the conditions for resignation, the Obama and Harry Reid both need to resign also.
• jhay78

  

  Boehner needs to go because he's afraid of his own shadow, not because he failed at bullying and threatening every conservative in the House, and insulting the conservative wave that gave him the Speaker's spot in the first place in 2010.
• IggyPride00

  

  jhay78;1348634 wrote:Boehner needs to go because he's afraid of his own shadow, not because he failed at bullying and threatening every conservative in the House, and insulting the conservative wave that gave him the Speaker's spot in the first place in 2010.

  The same Conservatives that gave him the Speakers spot also cost us the Senate, which is part of the reason this whole thing is such a disaster.
  
  How much stronger would the hand be in getting something done if it was soon to be Senate majority leader McConnell and Speaker Boehner negotiating a deal instead of Boehner and Reid. They would have the President over a barrel.
  
  Someone put it best last night in saying that Boehner is trying to play chess (willing to sacrifice a pawn to get a Queen) while many in the house are playing checkers and not thinking past the end of the week.
  
  The Conservative movement fails because there is no long term plan to actually implement things given how the system works, and instead is a series of short term rash decisions that always equate to 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
  
  You can't win every fight and have to pick your battles strategically, not fight every battle with no plan just because that is what you think you should be doing.
• gut

  BoatShoes;1348475 wrote:Meanwhile, yields on 10-year U.S. government bonds have gone even lower to 1.76. Despite a government that is barely functioning, investors are willing to lend us money for next to nothing even while Ben Bernanke is wearing out the printing press.

  That's more a result of printing money and quantitative easing. It will continue to work so long as inflation remains tame. Nothing quite like taking Bush policies that led to the housing bubble and putting those policies on steroids.
  
  Also, that sucking sound you hear of money coming out of the markets will lead to a short-term bond rally as people park cash on the sidelines.
• gut

  ccrunner609;1348724 wrote:Reid's actions are a direct reflection of what Obama is telling him to do.

  I'm not so sure about that. I think Reid marches to his own drummer, as does Obama. That certainly contributes to the failure of both.
  
  Boehner's plan might have been good, it might have been their only play. But I could see rational people not supporting it because they see the game theory differently, and in that scenario Boehner is making a bad move.
• gut

  ccrunner609;1348744 wrote:only in the US government is no move better then trying something. The fiscal cliff might be what we need to wake people up.

  And I'm not sure the liberals are that worried about it. We need to tax EVERYONE to close the deficit, and the Dems appear mainly concerned with blaming that on Repubs.
  
  CA is imploding before our eyes. There's your tax & spend future.
• sleeper

  

  I think Boehner went into this knowing it wouldn't get enough support. He's faking Republican separation to put a lot of pressure on Obama to do all the work instead of making Boehner do all the work and then rejecting his plans. If we hit the fiscal cliff, the blame will be placed solely on Obama, the worst President in history.
• James Gatz

  IggyPride00;1348498 wrote:He literally said the Serenity prayer in front of the conference when it became clear there was no reasoning with some of them.

  :laugh::laugh::laugh:
• IggyPride00

  

  I read a report that said Obama has told Boehner if they don't find a way to make a deal he is going to use his inaugural address and State of the Union in January to explain to the country how Republicans are directly responsible for this mess, and to call on citizens to essentially get on their asses to fix it.
  
  He will have quite a bully pulpit available to him, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.