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Romney is such the greatest political figure in modern American history.

  • TedSheckler
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1290387 wrote:Me and everyone I know. I don't know a single person who isn't doing better today than 4 years ago.

    Well, obviously you and everyone you know are the problem. Sounds like you all aren't doing your fair share.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    TedSheckler;1290399 wrote:Well, obviously you and everyone you know are the problem. Sounds like you all aren't doing your fair share.
    I can hook you up with a financial advisor if you'd like. You have absolutely no excuse to be worse off today than 4 years ago.
  • sleeper
    Zwick, let me know when you fire your financial advisor when all the money we're dumping into the market actually shows up in the inflation data.

    The stock market is not a good indicator of how well the economy is doing. I can easily tell if someone is an Obama supporter when they are absolutely clueless on anything financial.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    sleeper;1290409 wrote:Zwick, let me know when you fire your financial advisor when all the money we're dumping into the market actually shows up in the inflation data.

    The stock market is not a good indicator of how well the economy is doing. I can easily tell if someone is an Obama supporter when they are absolutely clueless on anything financial.
    It's not just the stock market, Sleeper. I'm a 1099 for a former employer. I'll pick up work for him he can't handle or get to in addition to my full time position. I've billed ~500 hours so far this year and could have billed 2000 if I wanted the work.

    The work is out there. I see it daily. Complacency and apathy are the main reason people are unemployed.
  • gut
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1290395 wrote:Exactly. You know damn well that whoever wins, you're going to be ok. Just like I know damn well whoever wins I'm going to be ok. I'd posit the elections of congress are more important than POTUS.
    But that's not true for everyone, especially those with less than a 4-yr degree. Incomes of middle class Americans are down over $2500 or whatever the number is. These are people that don't have large savings, for investments or otherwise. That's a really shaky economy to build on going forward. These are people having their votes bought, literally, with handouts. Why else would they want 4 more years of this? The handouts can't keep pace with their loss in earning and purchasing power - and as someone who funds those handouts, that is very concerning to me going forward.

    The elections of congress are arguably more important, but the singular most important is the POTUS that really leads and sets policy for half those congresspeople.

    I've seen how the long-term Obamaconomy plays out in Europe. That's not the future & opportunity I want for myself or for my children.
  • gut
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1290433 wrote: The work is out there. I see it daily. Complacency and apathy are the main reason people are unemployed.
    Fascinating. And yet you want 4 more years of the guy whose policies encourage and enable complacency and apathy. It's a minor breakthrough to see an Obama supporter actually acknowledge the disincentive issues that have been created.
  • sleeper
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1290433 wrote:It's not just the stock market, Sleeper. I'm a 1099 for a former employer. I'll pick up work for him he can't handle or get to in addition to my full time position. I've billed ~500 hours so far this year and could have billed 2000 if I wanted the work.

    The work is out there. I see it daily. Complacency and apathy are the main reason people are unemployed.
    You are also an engineer. I'm also doing well myself, but I don't think think it takes much effort to look at the data and actually think this country is going in the right direction.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    gut;1290435 wrote:Fascinating. And yet you want 4 more years of the guy whose policies encourage and enable complacency and apathy. It's a minor breakthrough to see an Obama supporter actually acknowledge the disincentive issues that have been created.
    You act like this is new, ground-breaking revelations we've stumbled upon. People are lazy? who would have thought. I can't believe it took Obama in office to realize this.

    Face it.. The market is improving.. I see it daily. Either president is going to enjoy the fortune of this. Both parties are trying like hell to win to get the credit.
  • QuakerOats
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1290349 wrote:People voted for Obama b/c they didn't want to finance a couple more wars that was assuredly coming everytime some radical farted in the middle east.
    So they are now happy with an additional $6 trillion in obama debt in just 3 1/2 years, vs. the $3 trillion in Bush debt for financing wars over 8 years?

    Your rationale is hysterical.

    Try again.
  • gut
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1290439 wrote: Face it.. The market is improving.. I see it daily. Either president is going to enjoy the fortune of this. Both parties are trying like hell to win to get the credit.
    Interesting. A lot of the data (and economists) are pointing to a recession (separate from the fiscal cliff).
  • QuakerOats
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1290433 wrote:The work is out there. I see it daily. Complacency and apathy are the main reason people are unemployed.
    And yet you support the party responsible for promoting government dependancy. ???

    Makes sense to me.
  • gut
    QuakerOats;1290445 wrote:And yet you support the party responsible for promoting government dependancy. ???

    Makes sense to me.
    Yeah, I've been wondering that myself. He wants to vote for the guy that is going to raise his taxes to pay all those lazy people to sit on their arse, give them an Obamaphone, etc...

    As I've said repeatedly, people voting for Obama are largely doing so for emotional, rather than rational, reasons.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    QuakerOats;1290440 wrote:So they are now happy with an additional $6 trillion in obama debt in just 3 1/2 years, vs. the $3 trillion in Bush debt for financing wars over 8 years?

    Your rationale is hysterical.

    Try again.
    They're probably pretty happy we're not Greece right now, yes.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    gut;1290449 wrote:Yeah, I've been wondering that myself. He wants to vote for the guy that is going to raise his taxes to pay all those lazy people to sit on their arse, give them an Obamaphone, etc...

    As I've said repeatedly, people voting for Obama are largely doing so for emotional, rather than rational, reasons.
    Pure rhetoric, Mitt. You guys apparently love that. I know Quaker does since he still uses the 47% stat lol
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1290454 wrote:Pure rhetoric, Mitt. You guys apparently love that. I know Quaker does since he still uses the 47% stat lol
    Is the DNC trying to gin up their base after Obama laid a turd in the debate last week? What other explanation is there for all of these posts? It certainly isn't Obama's record.
  • gut
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1290454 wrote:Pure rhetoric, Mitt. You guys apparently love that. I know Quaker does since he still uses the 47% stat lol
    What's pure rhetoric? Indicators we're on the brink of another recession, or that Obama has massively expanded the welfare state? Where do you get your news that you think that's rhetoric, as opposed to, you know, fact?
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    gut;1290462 wrote:What's pure rhetoric? Indicators we're on the brink of another recession, or that Obama has massively expanded the welfare state? Where do you get your news that you think that's rhetoric, as opposed to, you know, fact?
    or the fact weve been there for 6 years and it's finally improving after your homeboy financed 2 wars by cutting taxes (lolwut)and your new homeboy wants to cut them even more (lololwut). Repubs live in fantasy land. I on the other hand know you can't get out of debt by paying less towards it.
  • sleeper
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1290451 wrote:They're probably pretty happy we're not Greece right now, yet.
    Fixed.
  • gut
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1290466 wrote:or the fact weve been there for 6 years and it's finally improving after your homeboy financed 2 wars by cutting taxes (lolwut)and your new homeboy wants to cut them even more (lololwut). Repubs live in fantasy land. I on the other hand know you can't get out of debt by paying less towards it.
    $6T more in debt to get where we were in the beginning of 2009 is "improving"? Wow, that's quite the spin from your "news" sources.

    Romney is not cutting taxes - that's not what "revenue neutral" means. I've tried to explain the difference vs lowering marginal rates on additional income, but if people can't grasp even the most basic economic/fiscal concepts then we really are doomed as a nation.
  • tcarrier32
    Footwedge;1290152 wrote:You don't pay any federal taxes do you? Why do you want the government to pay your way? Romney will never be able to convince you otherwise.

    Go get a job that pays over 50K a year. That way, you'll probably pay a little federal tax. And then Romney will like you. After all, once Romney is elected, all this high unemployment nonsense will be history. Mitt knows how to do it.
    can't tell if serious or not...

    either way, yes i do. next question?

    i know this is a novel concept, but neither Obama nor Romney will get my vote. much in the same way that neither Obama nor McCain got my vote 4 years ago.

    you hear that sound? its the sound of QuakerOats' head exploding.
  • tcarrier32
    QuakerOats;1290440 wrote:So they are now happy with an additional $6 trillion in obama debt in just 3 1/2 years, vs. the $3 trillion in Bush debt for financing wars over 8 years?

    Your rationale is hysterical.

    Try again.
    your attempts at understanding the united states political machine is hysterical. you are as much a problem as your boy Barry.

    and no, I cannot spell hypocrite. my grasp on the english language approaches that of a chimp with the equivalency of trisomy 21. can you ever forgive me?
  • Bigdogg
    tcarrier32;1290132 wrote:http://www.roboromney.com/

    I mean shit, who else can simultaneously stand for every position at once while having half the United States circle-jerking about him?

    ignore my horrible wording in the title. we obviously need better schools for the youngins like myself.
    That there is funny, I don't care who you are!! I typed in all liberal and found out he is really my man this election! He really dose agree with everything!
  • Tiernan
    Spout all the financial facts, figures, diagrams and graphs you can possibly conjure up and it won't make one F'n iota of difference. The non-USA Americans that believe they are somehow dis-enfranchised (however skewed that reality may or may not be) are going to vote for Obama and there is a shit pot pile more of them then there are of intelligent voters. This thing was over long before Mitt made a blip at last week's debate. Save the rhetoric boys & girls, bite the bullet accept the fact its going to happen and try to do the best you can to protect yourself for 4 more years.
  • BoatShoes
    Tiernan;1290530 wrote:Spout all the financial facts, figures, diagrams and graphs you can possibly conjure up and it won't make one F'n iota of difference. The non-USA Americans that believe they are somehow dis-enfranchised (however skewed that reality may or may not be) are going to vote for Obama and there is a shit pot pile more of them then there are of intelligent voters. This thing was over long before Mitt made a blip at last week's debate. Save the rhetoric boys & girls, bite the bullet accept the fact its going to happen and try to do the best you can to protect yourself for 4 more years.
    I think you're waving the flag a little early. Mitt needed a colossal flop from Obama in the debate and a strong performance from himself and he got it both. He could pull it out.
  • sleeper
    Tiernan;1290530 wrote:Spout all the financial facts, figures, diagrams and graphs you can possibly conjure up and it won't make one F'n iota of difference. The non-USA Americans that believe they are somehow dis-enfranchised (however skewed that reality may or may not be) are going to vote for Obama and there is a shit pot pile more of them then there are of intelligent voters. This thing was over long before Mitt made a blip at last week's debate. Save the rhetoric boys & girls, bite the bullet accept the fact its going to happen and try to do the best you can to protect yourself for 4 more years.
    Except a lot of those morons don't actually vote.