obama AWOL on Middle Easts meltdown

• believer

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1268791 wrote:You guys are incredible.
  Politics is irrelevant right now.
  
  It is Policy, and separated from politics.
  
  This and the crap you guys are saying is why I cannot stand politics.

  C'mon... politics and policy are one and the same.
  
  Politics is irrelevant in this? This is nothing BUT politics.
  
  It's not crap. It's precisely why Obama has to go.
• pmoney25

  

  These people will NEVER stop. Their plan has always been to cripple us by having us spend trillions of dollars we don't have. We need to pull out, cut all support and aid.
  
  
  http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/gov-gary-johnson-releases-statement-regarding-libya-attack
• pmoney25

  

  I also want to say that those who are responsible for this HAVE to be brought to justice. No matter the reason for their attack, the use of violence and murder are not justifiable.
  
  However, you can tell that Romney and his Buddies are foaming at the mouth to get into office and start dropping bombs all over the place. And Obama just wants to continue giving money away and propping up these rebel groups.
  
  Both ways are no good for America.
• bases_loaded

  

  So Romney points out the lack of leadership in the white house and the media attacks him across the board?
  
  Connect the dots
• gut

  bases_loaded;1269170 wrote:So Romney points out the lack of leadership in the white house and the media attacks him across the board?
  
  Connect the dots

  Before his press conference, a couple reporters were caught on mic plotting to steer the conversation so they could control the story. First seven questions or so - and you can see Romney going like "what the hell?" - were all about if he regretted the timing, did he overstep, etc...Nothing of substance about his position or view.
  
  The media is really going to great lengths to prop up the messiah.
• pmoney25

  

  Romney is right about Obama and his lack of leadership. But his ideas are no better.
• believer

  

  gut;1269216 wrote:Before his press conference, a couple reporters were caught on mic plotting to steer the conversation so they could control the story. First seven questions or so - and you can see Romney going like "what the hell?" - were all about if he regretted the timing, did he overstep, etc...Nothing of substance about his position or view.
  
  The media is really going to great lengths to prop up the messiah.

  Yeah I heard the replay of that open mic driving home from work tonight. Absolutely incredible.
• password

  

  It is simply amazing that you people are acting like you are shocked that Obama has sided with anti americans. He has done this since day one and if he wins another election the country will never recover, that has been his plan since his first day in office. Historians have always stated that the only way to destroy the united states was to start with the economy, destroy it and the country will start to crumble and cause citizens to revolt against authority, then you slowly dismantle the military and its defenses to the point where it can not defend itself against outside threats. Obama has accomplished the first part, but he desperately needs a second term to accomplish the second part and then it is game over. Lets not forget about his comment to the russians about getting rid of all of our missles after the election.
• bases_loaded

  

  password;1269302 wrote:It is simply amazing that you people are acting like you are shocked that Obama has sided with anti americans. He has done this since day one and if he wins another election the country will never recover, that has been his plan since his first day in office. Historians have always stated that the only way to destroy the united states was to start with the economy, destroy it and the country will start to crumble and cause citizens to revolt against authority, then you slowly dismantle the military and its defenses to the point where it can not defend itself against outside threats. Obama has accomplished the first part, but he desperately needs a second term to accomplish the second part and then it is game over. Lets not forget about his comment to the russians about getting rid of all of our missles after the election.

  
  Only thing shocking is the arrogance to display this attitude so close to election time... But when you control the media I guess it doesn't matter what you say
• Footwedge

  4 dead Americans on Obamas watch....from terrorists......3000 Americans dead on W's watch. I see why the people are so upset with Obama.
• stlouiedipalma

  password;1269302 wrote:It is simply amazing that you people are acting like you are shocked that Obama has sided with anti americans. He has done this since day one and if he wins another election the country will never recover, that has been his plan since his first day in office. Historians have always stated that the only way to destroy the united states was to start with the economy, destroy it and the country will start to crumble and cause citizens to revolt against authority, then you slowly dismantle the military and its defenses to the point where it can not defend itself against outside threats. Obama has accomplished the first part, but he desperately needs a second term to accomplish the second part and then it is game over. Lets not forget about his comment to the russians about getting rid of all of our missles after the election.

  And if Obama wins re-election what will you do? You ding-dongs with your conspiracy theories would be funny, but the problem is you really believe them, don't you?
• BoatShoes

  password;1269302 wrote:It is simply amazing that you people are acting like you are shocked that Obama has sided with anti americans. He has done this since day one and if he wins another election the country will never recover, that has been his plan since his first day in office. Historians have always stated that the only way to destroy the united states was to start with the economy, destroy it and the country will start to crumble and cause citizens to revolt against authority, then you slowly dismantle the military and its defenses to the point where it can not defend itself against outside threats. Obama has accomplished the first part, but he desperately needs a second term to accomplish the second part and then it is game over. Lets not forget about his comment to the russians about getting rid of all of our missles after the election.

  LOL.
• BoatShoes

  Why can't you folks just admit that Romney totally shit the bed this time around? My God. The embassy, not Obama, prior to the attack, tries to calm the barbarians at the gate down and Romney utterly fails turning that into a partisan attack alleging that BHO is apologizing to the enemy. You win some you lose some and this was an epic fail on his teams part.
• stlouiedipalma

  QuakerOats;1268838 wrote:That's all he does is issue statements, then either go play golf or go campaign. It is his consistently failed leadership over a 4 year period, on all things fiscal, domestic, and foreign, that we are tired of ----- get it!
  
  Now you are seeing the results of failed leadership, at home, and around the world. Yet some are still blind to the fact that we could be doing so, so, so much better. I guess that is borne out of pre-ordaining obama to greatness, and then failing to come to grips with his ineptness and failure.

  Actually this morning we saw the results of someone who clearly isn't ready to lead the free world in the form of Willard "Mitt" Romney. His desperate "John McCain moment" reeked of someone who so desperately wants to be taken seriously he will listen to the likes of John Bolton and his crazy followers (I'll bet you subscribe to a John Bolton newsletter, don't ya?). Real leaders measure their responses in order to learn all the facts and get it right. Faux leaders (like Mitt) give the typically sorry knee-jerk response in order to come across as a tough guy.
  
  Another lie that Mitt referenced is this so-called apology. I sure didn't see one. Of course, just about anything BHO says these days is called an apology by the fanatical right-wing idiots. Do you fit into that category as well?
• Footwedge

  password;1269302 wrote:It is simply amazing that you people are acting like you are shocked that Obama has sided with anti americans. He has done this since day one and if he wins another election the country will never recover, that has been his plan since his first day in office. Historians have always stated that the only way to destroy the united states was to start with the economy, destroy it and the country will start to crumble and cause citizens to revolt against authority, then you slowly dismantle the military and its defenses to the point where it can not defend itself against outside threats. Obama has accomplished the first part, but he desperately needs a second term to accomplish the second part and then it is game over. Lets not forget about his comment to the russians about getting rid of all of our missles after the election.

  
  You forgot to mention that he,s black....
• Belly35

  

  Footwedge;1269395 wrote:You forgot to mention that he,s black....

  When racist have nothing to say the standard rule is "Play the Race Card" ..... that what racist do...
  
  This has nothing to do with race this is a issue of failure, failed agenda, programs, policy, administration and Obama
• Gblock

  http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-under-friendly-fire-response-libyan-embassy-attack-213729383--election.html?_esi=1
  
  seems like some disagree with some of the posts on this thread
• QuakerOats

  BoatShoes;1269371 wrote:Why can't you folks just admit that Romney totally **** the bed this time around? My God. The embassy, not Obama, prior to the attack, tries to calm the barbarians at the gate down and Romney utterly fails turning that into a partisan attack alleging that BHO is apologizing to the enemy. You win some you lose some and this was an epic fail on his teams part.

  obama is, and has been, apologizing to/for the enemy; I posted the link to the embassy/gov statement. It is a national disgrace. obama appears to be on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood; I simply cannot believe his miserable failings.
  
  I want the president to tell us who the hel! he is really supporting -- our allies or our enemies. Hel! he is out campaigning and he could not even tell us if Egypt is an ally or an enemy. He is a [EMAIL="FU@#$%"]FU@#$%[/EMAIL]^ national embarassment.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  You all are just awesome.
  
  Quaker, the tweet and post from Egyptian embassy was posted before we knew what was going on, and was not sanctioned by the White House.
  
  My whole beef with the Romney camp, is he immediately went on a political attack before all the facts were in place. Established foreign policy folks on both sides, knew immediately, the first statement should not be a slam on Obama, but the tragic loss of life of Americans. Instead we get this political BS that should not have been no where near the event.
  The statements by Dr. Rice were spot on. That's how you do it. Not the classless, throw together statement by Romney.
  
  As to the apology tour, whatever, people that know what the hell they are talking about, know that is false and a huge red herring.
  
  All the foreign policy experts, that rational and make sense, know this is a tragedy and politics have no place in the discussion.
  
  What pisses me off even more though is Romney is saying all this stuff, but has yet to outline what he would do differently.
  What the hell would he do right now? Tell me. It is easy to throw stones, but once you are the CINC, how would you approach Libya, Egypt, etc.?
  
  If his answers on Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran are any measure, he does not have ideas.
  
  So, saying I'll be better than this guy, shows me no intellectual ability to process a foreign policy crisis or situation.
  
  Again, rarely do I get really ticket. This complete lack of protocol and way the story is being told is a disgrace.
• jhay78

  

  Footwedge;1269339 wrote:4 dead Americans on Obamas watch....from terrorists......3000 Americans dead on W's watch. I see why the people are so upset with Obama.

  Which one . . . Menachem Begin or Bibi Netanyahu?
  
  Here we go again- this time in Yemen.
  
  http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/13/13840461-yemen-protesters-repelled-after-storming-us-embassy?lite
  
  As for the embassy's and State Dept's statements condemning the anti-Islam film and "offending the religious feelings of Muslims", Obama and his State Dept agreed with the UN last year about criminalizing intolerance of religious beliefs.:
  
  http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/12/opinion/la-oe-turley-blasphemy-20111210
  

  This week in Washington, the United States is hosting an international conference obliquely titled "Expert Meeting on Implementing the U.N. Human Rights Resolution 16/18." The impenetrable title conceals the disturbing agenda: to establish international standards for, among other things, criminalizing "intolerance, negative stereotyping and stigmatization of … religion and belief." The unstated enemy of religion in this conference is free speech, and the Obama administration is facilitating efforts by Muslim countries to "deter" some speech in the name of human rights
  Although the resolution also speaks to combating incitement to violence, the core purpose behind this and previous measures has been to justify those who speak against religion. The members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, or OIC, have been pushing for years to gain international legitimacy of their domestic criminal prosecutions of anti-religious speech.
  
  This year, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton invited nations to come to implement the resolution and "to build those muscles" needed "to avoid a return to the old patterns of division." Those "old patterns" include instances in which writers and cartoonists became the targets of protests by religious groups. The most famous such incident occurred in 2005 when a Danish newspaper published cartoons mocking the prophet Muhammad. The result were worldwide protests in which Muslims reportedly killed more than 100 people — a curious way to demonstrate religious tolerance. While Western governments reaffirmed the right of people to free speech after the riots, they quietly moved toward greater prosecution of anti-religious speech under laws prohibiting hate speech and discrimination.
  
  The OIC members have long sought to elevate religious dogma over individual rights. In 1990, members adopted the Cairo Declaration, which rejected core provisions of the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights and affirmed that free speech and other rights must be consistent with "the principles of the sharia," or Islamic law. The biggest victory of the OIC came in 2009 when the Obama administration joined in condemning speech containing "negative racial and religious stereotyping" and asked states to "take effective measures" to combat incidents, including those of "religious intolerance." Then, in March, the U.S. supported Resolution 16/18's call for states to "criminalize incitement to imminent violence based on religion or belief." It also "condemns" statements that advocate "hostility" toward religion. Although the latest resolution refers to "incitement" rather than "defamation" of religion (which appeared in the 2005 resolution), it continues the disingenuous effort to justify crackdowns on religious critics in the name of human rights law.
  
  The OIC has hit on a winning strategy to get Western countries to break away from their commitment to free speech by repackaging blasphemy as hate speech and free speech as the manifestation of "intolerance." Now, orthodoxy is to be protected in the name of pluralism — requiring their own notion of "respect and empathy and tolerance." One has to look only at the OIC member countries, however, to see their vision of empathy and tolerance, as well as their low threshold for anti-religious speech that incites people. In September, a Kuwaiti court jailed a person for tweeting a message deemed derogatory to Shiites. In Pakistan last year, a doctor was arrested for throwing out a business card of a man named Muhammad because he shared the prophet's name.

• jhay78

  

  ptown_trojans_1;1269689 wrote:You all are just awesome.
  
  Quaker, the tweet and post from Egyptian embassy was posted before we knew what was going on, and was not sanctioned by the White House.
  

  For the record, the STate Dept echoed what the embassy said
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  jhay78;1269705 wrote:For the record, the STate Dept echoed what the embassy said

  Before we knew what was going on.
  Once the events started to unfold, the message was changed. Then in the morning, we saw the various statements by Clinton.
• bases_loaded

  

  Gblock;1269525 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-under-friendly-fire-response-libyan-embassy-attack-213729383--election.html?_esi=1
  
  seems like some disagree with some of the posts on this thread

  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/09/13/Five-Facts-the-Media-Are-Distorting-About-Romney-s-Reponse-to-Embassy-Attacks
• Gblock

  bases_loaded;1269731 wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/09/13/Five-Facts-the-Media-Are-Distorting-About-Romney-s-Reponse-to-Embassy-Attacks

  he still should have waited to say anything till the facts came out imo
• BoatShoes