Overt Discrimination in Ohio

• ts1227

  

  queencitybuckeye;1248207 wrote:Right to vote on election day at an assigned polling place. Any other method of voting is a convenience and is in no way a "right".

  
  That's more of an opinion. Just because we had taken to the practice of voting on one day doesn't mean it can never change.
• queencitybuckeye

  ts1227;1248217 wrote:That's more of an opinion. Just because we had taken to the practice of voting on one day doesn't mean it can never change.

  That we've done it that way for centuries is a reasonably clear indication that doing it that way passes constitutional muster, which would indicate that other ways of doing it do not constitute rights.
• HitsRus

  

  Thanks for the link. Looks like the SOS got caught trying to stack the deck, so he had to come up with something. Still would be nice to see the polls open on the weekend before Election Day.

  This was a change from the way it has ALWAYS been done in the past....local boards controlled their hours. Husted had to get the okay from Atty Gen. Dewine to be sure he had the authority to mandate that it be uniform statewide.
• se-alum

  

  Had it not been for the illegal actions of the Obama Campaign, there would most likely still be early voting opportunities on the weekends.
• gut

  stlouiedipalma;1248137 wrote:You conveniently ignore the basic fact that we have a right to vote. It doesn't come with poll taxes or intelligence tests, although in your party's desperate bid to return to the 50's that would be restored, wouldn't it.

  I didn't ignore that we have a right to vote. I said people have a responsibility to be informed. The founding fathers knew many average people were idiots, that's why we elect representatives to make decisions for the country. But it seems people are getting dumber by the day, and our elected officials reflect that.
• queencitybuckeye

  gut;1248524 wrote:I didn't ignore that we have a right to vote. I said people have a responsibility to be informed. The founding fathers knew many average people were idiots, that's why we elect representatives to make decisions for the country. But it seems people are getting dumber by the day, and our elected officials reflect that.

  At the time, there was also a logistical element that no longer exists, we are certainly capable of a more direct democracy now.
• gut

  queencitybuckeye;1248627 wrote:At the time, there was also a logistical element that no longer exists, we are certainly capable of a more direct democracy now.

  Technically capable. From an informed perspective, are at least objectively informed, arguably less. With something like 1/4 of voters (and I don't know what the precise number is) unable to name the 4 people on the tickets, there is 0 chance putting up more issues to a vote would result in more sane, or less manipulated, outcomes.
  
  Obamakare, for example, is a bureaucratic and legislative mess, but it's not without any redeeming qualities. To even attempt to present such a complex issue to voters for an up or down vote would be a fool's game.
• HitsRus

  

  The founding fathers knew many average people were idiots, that's why we elect representatives to make decisions for the country. But it seems people are getting dumber by the day, and our elected officials reflect that.

  It's not even that people are idiots or getting dumber by the day....you had a lot of illiterates in the early years....it's that people in general, educated or not, simply do not have the time to adequately weigh the arguments for the affairs of state. Iwill NOT sign any ballot referendum petitions, no matter what the cause, because it is a lousy way to run government. Most people end up voting on sound bites and political commercials that stretch the truth....and they have no accountability for their vote, as a representative does. When people come up to me to ask for my signature I usually give them a lecture and tell them to call or write their congressman, and if he doesn't adequately represent you, work to vote the guy out of office.
• stlouiedipalma

  Would any of you be in favor of a literacy or intelligence test in order to register to vote?
• gut

  stlouiedipalma;1248951 wrote:Would any of you be in favor of a literacy or intelligence test in order to register to vote?

  Well I'm not sure it's necessary. I suppose it's possible to have an informed opinion without being able to read, but your post begs the question whether someone that is illiterate is actually capable of voting their intentions.
• stlouiedipalma

  I seem to recall the election workers telling me that if I have a problem understanding the ballot that they are there to assist me. So much for illiteracy and intentions.
• gut

  stlouiedipalma;1248993 wrote:I seem to recall the election workers telling me that if I have a problem understanding the ballot that they are there to assist me. So much for illiteracy and intentions.

  Well, that solves everything. People are never ashamed of being illiterate or try to hide it or anything like that.
• fish82

  

  stlouiedipalma;1248951 wrote:Would any of you be in favor of a literacy or intelligence test in order to register to vote?

  Just go back to only male landowners. Problem solved.