Voter fraud: What's the real reason behind the GOP's efforts?

• sleeper

  

  Not everyone should be able to vote, you have to register and be over the age of 18. Let's eliminate all those restrictions too since the right to vote should not be denied or suppressed.
• stlouiedipalma

  Yes, you have to register and be over 18. Once you are registered you can vote. Pretty simple, unless you throw roadblocks up to make it harder for certain groups to be able to exercise their rights.
• sleeper

  

  stlouiedipalma;1246595 wrote:Yes, you have to register and be over 18. Once you are registered you can vote. Pretty simple, unless you throw roadblocks up to make it harder for certain groups to be able to exercise their rights.

  Certain groups? You mean like the poor and stupid? I think we need to restrict them as much as possible.
• QuakerOats

  isadore;1246506 wrote:of course they can bitch, they are being denied their basic right to vote by a right wing political conspiracy.

  Hysterical.
• WebFire

  stlouiedipalma;1246595 wrote:Yes, you have to register and be over 18. Once you are registered you can vote. Pretty simple, unless you throw roadblocks up to make it harder for certain groups to be able to exercise their rights.

  Showing you are who you claim is some roadblock! Whew!
• isadore

  QuakerOats;1246657 wrote:Hysterical.

  people should be when a political party conspires to deprive them of suffrage.
• stlouiedipalma

  sleeper;1246630 wrote:Certain groups? You mean like the poor and stupid? I think we need to restrict them as much as possible.

  Really?
• Manhattan Buckeye

  WebFire;1246692 wrote:Showing you are who you claim is some roadblock! Whew!

  Thread over.
  
  This is the law in most jurisdictions. You have to show a photo ID to vote using the machines (this is certainly the law in Virginia, or North Carolina according to Joe Dumb$&%^% Biden), if you don't have ID you aren't turned away. There is no disenfranchisement. You fill out a paper ballot that will be recorded once you prove who you are. It is called a provisional ballot.
  
  Of all the moronic things the DONKS have brayed about the last 6 years (and there have been plenty of dumb ones), this might vex me the most. Shouldn't they be upset that someone might sneak into their garbage, pull out a utility bill and steal their vote? How un-American! What is the genesis of this false outrage? If you want to vote, you must be a citizen....prove it! If you can't do it at the time of the vote you have a window to prove it later.
• BoatShoes

  WebFire;1246510 wrote:If you can manage to vote, you can manage to get an ID.

  My uncle is a quadriplegic living in a nursing home in Clyde, Ohio. The nearest BMV is in Fremont. The nursing home will not drive him to go get an I.D. He hasn't had an I.D. since 1986 when he broke his neck. He's lucky enough to have family that is readily available to come pick him up for things like that. However, plenty of other people at the nursing home do not and are in the same situation.
  
  The state provides funds to their facility to help these folks get to the polls. However, when these voter ID laws are being passed, funds aren't being appropriated to ensure similar populations can get IDs.
  
  But, if you think Medicaid is another unjustifiable redistribution from the producers to the unproductive why bother helping out the leechers get an ID when the dems are just buying their votes with social programs?
• BoatShoes

  gut;1245852 wrote:I accept it's politiical, on both sides. You are acting like the liberals are clean here.
  
  I don't think it's should be an issue for voters to provide ID, and I think it should be required. I also think you're exagerating the impact and reasoning behind some of this. I don't know why you can't use a Veteran's Affairs ID, but wouldn't more of them tend to vote Repub? You're just blindly attacking the repubs here even when it makes absolutely no sense.

  Well the state I'm thinking of is Texas and most people with VA cards are, more so than anything else, old. That is, they basically vote for SS and Medicare/Medicaid. So realistically, in an era when Pubs are attempting to privatize the entitlement programs, probably more likely to vote dem since they buy their votes after all with promises of gubmint tit. The governor who signed the law after all happens to think at least one of those programs is a ponzi-scheme.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  BoatShoes;1247295 wrote:My uncle is a quadriplegic living in a nursing home in Clyde, Ohio. The nearest BMV is in Fremont. The nursing home will not drive him to go get an I.D. He hasn't had an I.D. since 1986 when he broke his neck. He's lucky enough to have family that is readily available to come pick him up for things like that. However, plenty of other people at the nursing home do not and are in the same situation.
  
  The state provides funds to their facility to help these folks get to the polls. However, when these voter ID laws are being passed, funds aren't being appropriated to ensure similar populations can get IDs.
  
  But, if you think Medicaid is another unjustifiable redistribution from the producers to the unproductive why bother helping out the leechers get an ID when the dems are just buying their votes with social programs?

  An ID is $8.50 in Ohio (and according to some of my sources is WAIVED - THAT MEANS NO COST TO PEOPLE under extreme circumstances, link:
  
  http://www.dmv.org/oh-ohio/id-cards.php
  
  If what you say is truth (LOL) then the State is paying a multiple of that to get him to the polls. I know you are lying because if someone is a quadriplegic people will come see him to fill out an absentee ballot. It happens all of the time.
  
  Give it up already, this thread is an epic fail. I don't know how some of you post this stuff with a straight face.
• QuakerOats

  isadore;1246928 wrote:people should be when a political party conspires to deprive them of suffrage.

  
  
• QuakerOats

  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/14/obama-is-ready-to-sign-up-immigrants/?page=all#pagebreak
  
  
  
  Change we can believe in ...
• sleeper

  

  stlouiedipalma;1247133 wrote:Really?

  Yes really. Why do you want to live in a country where someone who can barely run a cash register at McDonalds have a say in the regulation of derivatives? Why do you want someone who gets fed by welfare have a say in voting for more welfare benefits. Do you really not have a clue how the world works?
  
  If I was in charge, an ID would not only be a requirement, but a college degree and proof of employment for the previous 4 years would be required.
• QuakerOats

  New Black Panthers to RNC: Our 'Feet Will Be On Your Motherf***ing Necks'...
  
  
  
• jhay78

  

  If these numbers are half right, then the system needs serious upgrading:
  
  http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFiles/wwwpewtrustsorg/Reports/Election_reform/Pew_Upgrading_Voter_Registration.pdf
  

  [LEFT]Research commissioned by the Pew Centeron the States highlights the extent of thechallenge[/LEFT][LEFT]Approximately 24 million—one ofevery eight—voter registrations in theUnited States are no longer valid orare significantly inaccurate.[/LEFT][LEFT]n More than 1.8 million deceasedindividuals are listed as voters.[/LEFT][LEFT]n Approximately 2.75 million peoplehave registrations in more than one[/LEFT]state.
  

• BoatShoes

  Manhattan Buckeye;1247393 wrote:An ID is $8.50 in Ohio (and according to some of my sources is WAIVED - THAT MEANS NO COST TO PEOPLE under extreme circumstances, link:
  
  http://www.dmv.org/oh-ohio/id-cards.php
  
  If what you say is truth (LOL) then the State is paying a multiple of that to get him to the polls. I know you are lying because if someone is a quadriplegic people will come see him to fill out an absentee ballot. It happens all of the time.
  
  Give it up already, this thread is an epic fail. I don't know how some of you post this stuff with a straight face.

  Under the Help America Vote Act of 2002 local county boards can receive funds to help ensure the disabled can travel to polling places.. Additionally, the Board of Elections will have a person of both political parties come out and bring ballots to nursing homes. These types of measures have not been taken with regard to the Voter ID laws. There's no measure put in place to ensure that a disabled person who doesn't have identification with his/her current address on it on election day will still be able to have their voter eligibility verified after casting a provisional ballot.
  
  And, like I've said, an ID is cheap but a lot of those folks can't easily get from Clyde to Fremont to get one without a family member helping (which a lot don't have).
  
  But I really enjoy your condescension as we could surely all learn a thing or two from your wealth of perspicacity.
• BoatShoes

  Also, Does anybody think Manhattan Buckeye would shed a tear if an old disabled person voting democrat to save the ponzi scheme of social security failed to understand he had to verify his identify after filling out a provisional ballot....and if this happened enough to swing the election for Romney?
  
  Since electing Barack Obama was a large collective failure by us in the mind of MB, I have my doubts he'd be all that upset if some folks whom the democrats have "bought off" weren't able to have their vote properly count if it meant getting "president choom" out of office.
• sleeper

  

  I think MB cares about the future of the country rather than scoring political points on an unsustainable system.
• gut

  If you can't name the 4 parties on the 2 tickets, you shouldn't have a vote, period. That would "disenfranchise" about 25% of the voters, maybe more.
• isadore

  old mike turzai let the cat out of the bag on the conspiracy.
• stlouiedipalma

  sleeper;1247426 wrote:Yes really. Why do you want to live in a country where someone who can barely run a cash register at McDonalds have a say in the regulation of derivatives? Why do you want someone who gets fed by welfare have a say in voting for more welfare benefits. Do you really not have a clue how the world works?
  
  If I was in charge, an ID would not only be a requirement, but a college degree and proof of employment for the previous 4 years would be required.

  
  Because it's a DEMOCRACY.
• stlouiedipalma

  BoatShoes;1247295 wrote:My uncle is a quadriplegic living in a nursing home in Clyde, Ohio. The nearest BMV is in Fremont. The nursing home will not drive him to go get an I.D. He hasn't had an I.D. since 1986 when he broke his neck. He's lucky enough to have family that is readily available to come pick him up for things like that. However, plenty of other people at the nursing home do not and are in the same situation.
  
  The state provides funds to their facility to help these folks get to the polls. However, when these voter ID laws are being passed, funds aren't being appropriated to ensure similar populations can get IDs.
  
  But, if you think Medicaid is another unjustifiable redistribution from the producers to the unproductive why bother helping out the leechers get an ID when the dems are just buying their votes with social programs?

  Don't worry, there are plenty of folks on this site alone who would kick him to the curb and let him die. The trouble is, they'd do it with a straight face and pious heart.
• gut

  stlouiedipalma;1248105 wrote:Don't worry, there are plenty of folks on this site alone who would kick him to the curb and let him die. The trouble is, they'd do it with a straight face and pious heart.

  The reality, of which liberals seem to have no concept, is the taxpayer can't write a check to take care of everyone. So how would you have them choose?
  
  The irony is if people had made better choices in their life, then they'd have the money and/or family and friends to take care of them and not need to rely on the taxpayer. I should have to work and work and work to take care of other people, even if I have friends and relatives I'd rather be able to help out?
• sleeper

  

  stlouiedipalma;1248102 wrote:Because it's a DEMOCRACY.

  Enjoy running the USA into the ground then.