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  • ptown_trojans_1
    QuakerOats;1247712 wrote:American left is the most self-indulgent, arrogant, and spoiled group of people on the face of the earth. They live in a nation facing national bankruptcy and societal upheaval -- a country presently subsisting on the residue of past economic achievements. Yet the only things that matter to them are their lifestyles and imposing their self-determined superiority on rest of the American people.



    Thought it deserved to be in BOLD.
    Casting a wide generalization over a whole group of people makes no sense. I know liberals that buck that statement.
    All Ohioans act this way. All Buckeye fans act this way. Etc.

    But, keep on protecting my liberty.
  • queencitybuckeye
    ptown_trojans_1;1247821 wrote:Casting a wide generalization over a whole group of people makes no sense. I know liberals that buck that statement.
    All Ohioans act this way. All Buckeye fans act this way. Etc.
    True, it's the 90% that makes the rest look bad.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    queencitybuckeye;1247822 wrote:True, it's the 90% that makes the rest look bad.
    Yeah, 90% of Buckeye fans are bad.....lol.
  • Footwedge
    jhay78;1247804 wrote:Just because it wasn't part of his budget proposal (which dealt mostly with Medicare) doesn't mean he doesn't understand it. But the final decision for the military budget (and all parts of the budget) would be with Romney, not Paul Ryan.
    Romney has the same view as Ryan. And that view is shared by a teeny, tiny crowd these days, in case you haven't noticed or done the research.

    Ryan and Romney talk about the national debt, but want to expand the military...which is 5 times bigger than the second biggest military spending country.

    You and your ilk can can pat these 2 clowns on the back as much as you want. The other 67% of us will call these 2 self proclaimed fiscal hawks....what they really are....that being fiscal frauds.

    And as a sidebar, ever notice since Romney has tacitly given Bibi the go ahead in bombing Iran how the oil prices have shot up? Coincidence? I think not. The warmongering belligerence that these 2 assholes are promoting are so anti American it defies description.

    And you are way to naive to connect the dots.
  • Footwedge
    gut;1247810 wrote:It's a safe bet he can't read pie charts like you do. I doubt anyone can. I mean that in all sincerity.
    Yaeh...I am truly outstanding at reading pie charts. I inherited that ability from my mom's side of the family. Thanks for noticing.
  • jhay78
    Footwedge;1247962 wrote:Romney has the same view as Ryan. And that view is shared by a teeny, tiny crowd these days, in case you haven't noticed or done the research.

    Ryan and Romney talk about the national debt, but want to expand the military...which is 5 times bigger than the second biggest military spending country.

    You and your ilk can can pat these 2 clowns on the back as much as you want. The other 67% of us will call these 2 self proclaimed fiscal hawks....what they really are....that being fiscal frauds.

    And as a sidebar, ever notice since Romney has tacitly given Bibi the go ahead in bombing Iran how the oil prices have shot up? Coincidence? I think not. The warmongering belligerence that these 2 ****s are promoting are so anti American it defies description.

    And you are way to naive to connect the dots.
    1. I really don't care what our military spending is compared to other nations. I think most of us agree there are a lot of wasteful and unnecessary things that can be cut.

    2. I though it was odd that David Stockman longs for the good ol' days (when we weren't imperialist neo-cons) of Eisenhower, when defense spending was 35% of the federal budget.

    3. Also odd that Romney and Bibi top your list of warmongering belligerents, but not a word about Ahmedinijad stirring up the region in the first place.
  • Footwedge
    jhay78;1248026 wrote:1. I really don't care what our military spending is compared to other nations. I think most of us agree there are a lot of wasteful and unnecessary things that can be cut.
    Yes most of us do. About 2/3 of us want the miltary cut....not expanded like the R and R boys want. You want to expand the world hegemony, then don't you dare rah rah about reducing the national debt.
    Also odd that Romney and Bibi top your list of warmongering belligerents, but not a word about Ahmedinijad stirring up the region in the first place.
    When's the last time Iran invaded anybody? 200 years ago or so? LMAO on your inane Ahmadinejad comment...a guy that has absolutely no say in Iran's foreign policy. Vote in your boys....enjoy your wars...enjoy your $6.00 a gallon gasoline. I'm gonna kick off my shoes...pop some popcorn...and laugh my ass off as the neocons return to power....and reek further destruction all over the planet.
  • BoatShoes
    jhay78;1247804 wrote: He seems to be saying Ryan's plan doesn't go far enough, which most of us righties would agree with. But when one step is taken in that direction, a step no one on the left running for office dares to take, the lies and distortions coming from Obama's campaign tell me all I need to know about which side to lean to.
    He's not saying the Ryan plan "doesn't go far enough" as in there should be more costs put on seniors generally. He's basically saying rich seniors should bear more costs. Several liberals have endorsed this idea with caps on who can receive social insurance. I myself have expressed sympathy toward that view. The reasoning would be that something like medicare or social security would be treated as genuine insurance under such a scheme...you only use it if you need it. Likewise, I only collect on my homeowner's insurance if the need arises.

    However, there are problems with this solution as it effectively raises taxes on lower income brackets and could discourage saving.

    As to your point about military spending. In 1960, we were spending just under between 7-10% of our GDP on defense expenditures because it was during the Cold War. We're now around 5% of GDP with no other major military power in the world. Spending was below 5% of GDP in the post-war 50's prior to the arms race with the U.S.S.R.

    (As an aside, Defense Spending was 38% of GDP during WWII. Now that is a stimulus package! Our whole government spends 25% of GDP now with catastrophic unemployment...much of which to pay people to sit on their ass).
  • gut
    I agree about about caps and making it "true" insurance. The flip-side of that is everyone should pay a premium (well, on medicare and SS they do).

    It's critical to controlling govt spending that everyone share the pain. If everyone has an interest, they'll pay more attention to where the money goes. Of course, you have a chicken/egg problem. But I'm a big believer that people are reckless when it comes to spending other people's money.
  • believer
    gut;1248187 wrote:I agree about about caps and making it "true" insurance. The flip-side of that is everyone should pay a premium (well, on medicare and SS they do).
    Yes they do and some have been for decades by federal mandate. Yet confusingly guys like Sleeper think we're selfish for wanting a return on that mandated investment.
    gut;1248187 wrote:It's critical to controlling govt spending that everyone share the pain. If everyone has an interest, they'll pay more attention to where the money goes. Of course, you have a chicken/egg problem. But I'm a big believer that people are reckless when it comes to spending other people's money.
    I agree. But before I'm willing to sacrifice I want tangible, locked-in across-the-board federal spending cuts put in place.

    But since we all know that will never happen, I'm not even close to being ready to share the pain. But then again as a self-centered Boomer it's to be expected. ;)
  • Belly35
    No reply to this part of the article ( in bold type)by the OC Obama Faithful wonder why?

    Is this what you Liberal Socialist Democrat want to happen to America.. do you have a clue that you to will be effected by Obama agenda.
    I you are presently working America no way can you vote for Obama because 4 more years of this clown and you will be unemployed, your retirement distroyed and saving lost.. ........ I don't know about you but I don't work to be poor

    America indebtedness has increased by another $11 trillion. Yet these estimates do not include the full impact of ObamaCare, which could add another $17+ trillion. On the other side of the ledger: the annual Gross Domestic Product (the value of all economic activity in the U.S.) is $15.6 trillion. The indebtedness to GDP ratio is a staggering 14.2 to 1 and guaranteed to further accelerate if Barack Obama is re-elected.
    The United States is not facing b    ankruptcy, it is bankrupt. The primary factor that has kept the nation afloat over the past four years is that the dollar, albeit temporarily, remains the world's reserve currency, thus allowing the Federal Reserve to print enormous sums of money to cover the Obama budget deficits and flood the global market with near worthless cash. Today it requires $100.00 to purchase the same goods $10.00 purchased in 1950.
    As a further comparison, the total annual GDP of all the countries on earth is $70 trillion. The American indebtedness alone exceeds that amount by a factor of 3 -- which contributes mightily to a world drowning in debt and facing an inevitable debt crisis and financial collapse, which will trigger a massive global depression.
    Currently, just 58.4% of the civilian population is employed, as compared to 64.3% twelve years ago. Factoring in the growth of the population during that period, this drop represents over 22 million Americans unable to find work. Since January 2009, 74% of all new jobs created in the U.S. were in the lowest-paying sectors of the economy, thereby stifling any chance of upward mobility and growth in median income which has fallen by 9% since January 2009, and average household wealth that has declined by nearly 40% over this same period.    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/the_childishness_of_the_american_left.html#ixzz23hmJZ0fo
  • stlouiedipalma
    No reply on my part because I simply consider the source, as well as the sources cited.
  • sleeper
    believer;1248203 wrote:Yes they do and some have been for decades by federal mandate. Yet confusingly guys like Sleeper think we're selfish for wanting a return on that mandated investment.
    You already got your return on your money. The US government burned it all propping you up and now you want to double dip and leave the burden on unborn generations. Thanks for running the country into the ground; I'm sure your kids are thankful. :rolleyes:
  • fish82
    sleeper;1248546 wrote:You already got your return on your money. The US government burned it all propping you up and now you want to double dip and leave the burden on unborn generations. Thanks for running the country into the ground; I'm sure your kids are thankful. :rolleyes:
    Chin up, Sport. You're so awesome you'll be able to buy your own farking hospital when you retire at 45. :cool:
  • sleeper
    fish82;1248553 wrote:Chin up, Sport. You're so awesome you'll be able to buy your own farking hospital when you retire at 45. :cool:
    I'm not worried about myself; I'm worried about the unborn generations that we are leaving a cataclysmic amount of debt so believer and his friends can enjoy a lofty life and a lofty retirement. The boomers are notoriously the most selfish generation in world history and books are being written talking about how the boomers have run this country into the ground. The boomers will be remembered as being directly responsible for destroying the United States of America; that is their legacy and many boomers just keep their heads in the sand while their checks keep rolling in.
  • gut
    believer;1248203 wrote:But since we all know that will never happen, I'm not even close to being ready to share the pain. But then again as a self-centered Boomer it's to be expected. ;)
    Unfortunately, with a pay-as-you-go system you are really in no different situation from people further from retirement. We're all facing reduced payments in the future (and those that are still paying ALSO likely face increases at some point).

    To me, it's an across-the-board 15% reduction in benefit and 15% increase in contributions to "fix" SS for 20-30 years or more. But I'm not actually convinced SS is in all that much trouble. I think it's been lumped in with Medicare, which has clearly been grossly underfunded by about 80% (medicare payments are actually higher than SS right now, but when you look at contributions SS is @5X greater).

    So in all honesty, you've only paid for about a 20% benefit on Medicare.
  • believer
    sleeper;1248546 wrote:You already got your return on your money. The US government burned it all propping you up and now you want to double dip and leave the burden on unborn generations. Thanks for running the country into the ground; I'm sure your kids are thankful. :rolleyes:
    In what way have I double-dipped? This should be good. :cool:
  • sleeper
    believer;1248657 wrote:In what way have I double-dipped? This should be good. :cool:
    The government has been propping up the economy for decades, stealing from the trust fund in order to increase the ROI for boomers. Now that the trust fund is depleted, the government is borrowing even more money to pay you the benefits. Do you children believer? How can you look at them every day when you've ruined their lives?
  • believer
    sleeper;1248685 wrote:The government has been propping up the economy for decades, stealing from the trust fund in order to increase the ROI for boomers. Now that the trust fund is depleted, the government is borrowing even more money to pay you the benefits. Do you children believer? How can you look at them every day when you've ruined their lives?
    Trust funds, propping up the economy, and ROI for Boomers....LMAO.

    I didn't do anything except earn an honest paycheck for the past 40 years, serve my country in the military for 9 years so the Whiner Generation can peacefully enjoy your tattoos & techno toys, and - yes - raise 4 beautiful girls.

    I didn't ruin their lives but the Whiner Generation just might.
  • sleeper
    believer;1248692 wrote:Trust funds, propping up the economy, and ROI for Boomers....LMAO.

    I didn't do anything except earn an honest paycheck for the past 40 years, serve my country in the military for 9 years so the Whiner Generation can peacefully enjoy your tattoos & techno toys, and - yes - raise 4 beautiful girls.

    I didn't ruin their lives but the Whiner Generation just might.
    4 Beautiful girls who will suffer because of your negligent actions.
  • stlouiedipalma
    believer;1248692 wrote:Trust funds, propping up the economy, and ROI for Boomers....LMAO.

    I didn't do anything except earn an honest paycheck for the past 40 years, serve my country in the military for 9 years so the Whiner Generation can peacefully enjoy your tattoos & techno toys, and - yes - raise 4 beautiful girls.

    I didn't ruin their lives but the Whiner Generation just might.

    In another sign that the apocalypse is nigh, I wholeheartedly agree with believer.