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  • isadore
    complete lack of empathy is an attribute of the I have got mine, screw you mentality.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    isadore;1190445 wrote:complete lack of empathy is an attribute of the I have got mine, screw you mentality.
    You don't work, you expect things handed to you, and think the poor deserve a break because they aren't well off. I worked hard for the things I have and I'm not about to give it up because other people can't do the same. Instead of promoting people to be lazy and expect hand outs from empathy, you should encourage these people to do something productive and stop waiting to be "redeemed"
  • gut
    isadore;1190391 wrote:the i have got mine, screw you mentality.
    No, it's the "put on your big boy pants and play the hand your dealt" mentality. Life isn't fair - I'll never marry a supermodel. It's true of everything else in life, but when it comes to material possession the US is unrivaled in its sense of entitlement.
  • gut
    Raw Dawgin' it;1190427 wrote:I bet your mentality would change if you earned what you work for...or worked. Instead you preach "You've got yours screw the poor" all the time. Survival of the fittest, if you don't like capitalism, move to china. I earned and worked for what i have, i shouldn't have to pay more or less than someone who struggles to get by.
    Precisely. I'm not rich and I've worked hard and made sacrifices for what I have. I'd like to maintain my lifestyle into retirement, and hopefully retire a bit early. The fact that my savings/net worth is about half the amount I've paid in taxes, while nearly half the country doesn't pay income tax, really gets my goat.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    isadore doesn't pay income tax - because he doesn't have a job but expects people who do have jobs to give him handouts.
  • Belly35
    isadore;1190445 wrote:complete lack of empathy is an attribute of the I have got mine, screw you mentality.

    What wrong with I got mine, screw you mentality?

    Let me put it this way: I created, worked, failed and recovered, learned, educated myself, invested in myself, bettered myself, dedicated my efforts, used my skills, fulfilled my responsibilities and built what is mine and you did what? And now you and people like you want part of what I have …. Eat shit a die

    I give to Christian charities, youth group, Veteran group, home for humanity and food banks.
    I support four Christmas families, and shoe box Christmas mission….. Can I ask what you give?
  • HitsRus
    Nice....+2 belly...and reps
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    Belly35;1190554 wrote:What wrong with I got mine, screw you mentality?

    Let me put it this way: I created, worked, failed and recovered, learned, educated myself, invested in myself, bettered myself, dedicated my efforts, used my skills, fulfilled my responsibilities and built what is mine and you did what? And now you and people like you want part of what I have …. Eat shit a die

    I give to Christian charities, youth group, Veteran group, home for humanity and food banks.
    I support four Christmas families, and shoe box Christmas mission….. Can I ask what you give?
    fuck yeah belly +1 and reps
  • isadore
    Raw Dawgin' it;1190448 wrote:You don't work, you expect things handed to you, and think the poor deserve a break because they aren't well off. I worked hard for the things I have and I'm not about to give it up because other people can't do the same. Instead of promoting people to be lazy and expect hand outs from empathy, you should encourage these people to do something productive and stop waiting to be "redeemed"
    since the large majority of these people are physcially handicapped, aged or children. We can just use the 19th century model and let them die to decrease the excess population and save you a few bucks.
  • isadore
    gut;1190474 wrote:No, it's the "put on your big boy pants and play the hand your dealt" mentality. Life isn't fair - I'll never marry a supermodel. It's true of everything else in life, but when it comes to material possession the US is unrivaled in its sense of entitlement.
    I will agree with your statement about supermodel. The rest is questionable. Unrivaled sense of entitlement, many developed nations provide more for their citizens in terms of health care, unemployment benefits, welfare and post secondary education. Their citizens all feel they are entitled to these things, a much greater sense of entitlement than American have. And also much greater social mobility.
  • isadore
    Belly35;1190554 wrote:What wrong with I got mine, screw you mentality?

    Let me put it this way: I created, worked, failed and recovered, learned, educated myself, invested in myself, bettered myself, dedicated my efforts, used my skills, fulfilled my responsibilities and built what is mine and you did what? And now you and people like you want part of what I have …. Eat **** a die

    I give to Christian charities, youth group, Veteran group, home for humanity and food banks.
    I support four Christmas families, and shoe box Christmas mission….. Can I ask what you give?
    This year contributed to Salvation Army, Feed America, Western Ohio Food bank, Make A wish foundation, Toys for Tots, USO, Wounded Warriors, VFW, Special Olympics, church charities, various disease and medical charities.
    But in true time of need private charity fails to provide for those in need, government institutions are needed.
  • sleeper
    isadore;1190786 wrote:I will agree with your statement about supermodel. The rest is questionable. Unrivaled sense of entitlement, many developed nations provide more for their citizens in terms of health care, unemployment benefits, welfare and post secondary education. Their citizens all feel they are entitled to these things, a much greater sense of entitlement than American have. And also much greater social mobility.
    So move there and stop whining. This country was founded on freedom, if you want to be taken care of, go elsewhere.

    Let me know when you come crawling back for another sniff of capitalism and success.
  • gut
    isadore;1190786 wrote:I will agree with your statement about supermodel. The rest is questionable. Unrivaled sense of entitlement, many developed nations provide more for their citizens in terms of health care, unemployment benefits, welfare and post secondary education. Their citizens all feel they are entitled to these things, a much greater sense of entitlement than American have. And also much greater social mobility.
    LOL, America is about the most materialistic, entitled society in the world. Lowest savings rates and highest consumer debt.

    And those countries that give "more" as you put it are mostly failing.
  • isadore
    germany failing, denmark, norway, sweden, netherlands.
    all with more entitlements than us.
    gosh our saving rates are not the lowest by a long shot.

    http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/economics/household-saving-rates-forecasts_2074384x-table7
  • gut
    isadore;1190802 wrote:germany failing, denmark, norway, sweden, netherlands.
    all with more entitlements than us.
    gosh our saving rates are not the lowest by a long shot.

    http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/economics/household-saving-rates-forecasts_2074384x-table7
    LMAO. There are a fewer that have been lower recently, but you should really take a look at the first half of the last decade when the average savings rate in the US was @ 0, and negative several years. Yeah, people are "saving" up now - by trying to pay-off their mountain of debt.

    And Europe doesn't have quite the entitlement/handouts that we do - they pay much higher taxes - EVERYONE. Their "FICA" tax is about 30% higher, PLUS they have a VAT averaging @ 19%.

    It's not that Americans can't afford these things, it's that they CHOOSE not to. Real incomes have been mostly flat since about 1980, but that's real - adjusted for inlfation, meaning it's kept pace with rising energy and healthcare costs. What has changed is personal consumption took off like a rocket in the mid-90's (p.6 below).
    http://www.marubeni.com/dbps_data/_material_/maruco_en/data/research/pdf/0407.pdf
  • isadore
    you are coming up with stats from 10 years ago and saying that is what people are doing today. very dated and not reflective of today as the earlier sites showed.

    the nation i have listed all have greater entitlement packages than the US and nothing you have states diminishes the truth of that.]

    low tax burden for
    http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/numbers/international.cfm
    om/USA/2010/0411/US-tax-bite-smaller-than-other-nations

    and a low set of entitlements does not make the US citizen the most greedy and entilted in the world, no it is quite the opposite.
  • gut
    isadore;1190918 wrote:you are coming up with stats from 10 years ago and saying that is what people are doing today. very dated and not reflective of today as the earlier sites showed.

    the nation i have listed all have greater entitlement packages than the US and nothing you have states diminishes the truth of that.]
    Let me say it more slowly for you.....They_________PAY______________MORE_____________FOR__________THEIR________ENTITLEMENTS.__________MUCH________MUCH____________MORE.

    And the simple fact of the matter is the belt tightening in the US is a direct result of below average savings rates for years and years. A debt payment shows up as savings, but in reality you're not saving money you've already spent. You don't understand that, which is unsurprising.

    Again, US consumption has skyrocketed vs wages starting about in the mid-90's. That's around the time the US consumer really started discovering credit cards, and perhaps not coincidentally the rekindling of the class warfare debates.
  • O-Trap


    Who needs cable?
  • isadore
    gut;1191483 wrote:Let me say it more slowly for you.....They_________PAY______________MORE_____________FOR__________THEIR________ENTITLEMENTS.__________MUCH________MUCH____________MORE.

    And the simple fact of the matter is the belt tightening in the US is a direct result of below average savings rates for years and years. A debt payment shows up as savings, but in reality you're not saving money you've already spent. You don't understand that, which is unsurprising.

    Again, US consumption has skyrocketed vs wages starting about in the mid-90's. That's around the time the US consumer really started discovering credit cards, and perhaps not coincidentally the rekindling of the class warfare debates.
    THEY TAX THE RICH MORE SO THEY CAN PROVIDE MORE ENTITLEMENTS FOR THEIR PEOPLE.
    Their national tax systems are more progressive than ours. And ours is becoming increasingly regressive.
    http://www.brookings.edu/up-front/posts/2012/04/13-tax-greenstone-looney
    And as the stats show the United States is not the lowest in savings. And that nations like Norway, Finland and Canada with low saving rates are more economically prosperous with lower unemployment rates than the US
    http://econ365.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/gross-savings-rate.pdf
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    isadore;1190802 wrote:germany failing, denmark, norway, sweden, netherlands.
    all with more entitlements than us.
    gosh our saving rates are not the lowest by a long shot.

    http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/economics/household-saving-rates-forecasts_2074384x-table7
    Are you high? Aside from Norway (which depends on oil) these are dying countries. Denmark? Netherlands?
  • isadore
    Manhattan Buckeye;1191601 wrote:Are you high? Aside from Norway (which depends on oil) these are dying countries. Denmark? Netherlands?
    gosh a ruddies, they have more services for their people, lower unemployment rate and a lower per capita national debt.
  • LJ
    isadore;1191594 wrote:Their national tax systems are more progressive than ours. And ours is becoming increasingly regressive.
    WHAT?!

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/24/america-has-industrialized-worlds-most-progressive-income-tax-says-the-tax-foundation/
    [LEFT]America leads the world in many fields, but for those keeping score, the nation apparently has yet another superlative to add to its column. According to The Tax Foundation, the U.S. currently can lay claim to having the most progressive income tax among all industrialized nations.


    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/24/america-has-industrialized-worlds-most-progressive-income-tax-says-the-tax-foundation/#ixzz1x792WaJ9    [/LEFT]
  • isadore
    “The Tax Foundation is not a reliable source” Nobel Prize Winning Economist Paul Krugman
    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/the-tax-foundation-is-not-a-reliable-source/
    “Tax Foundation Figures Produce Misleading and Inaccurate
    Impressions of Middle Class Tax Burdens”

    Tax Foundation State Rankings Continue to Deceive
    http://www.ctj.org/taxjusticedigest/archive/2008/08/tax_foundation_state_rankings.php
    The Tax Foundation’s Analyses Of The CUNO Decision: Inaccurate And Inconsistent
    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=515
    Tax Foundation Figures Do Not Represent Typical Households' Tax Burdens: Figures May Mislead Policymakers, Journalists, and the Public
    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=209
    　
  • LJ
    You can laugh at my sources, just as I will laugh at yours.
  • isadore
    I don't laugh, that would be cruel. I just feel sad you would use such a source.