Obama Supporting Gay Marriage

• isadore

  Con_Alma;1173459 wrote:...but before they grew you wouldn't have known if they would evolve or not and if they did what would they adapt that position into.
  
  Are you saying you would vote for a candidate the at the time of the vote didn't believe a black man should vote in the hopes that his view would adapt?

  well gosh a ruddies, in 1788 and 1792 Washington had no opposition, so either vote for him or not participate. In 1860 you could vote for lincoln who at least opposed the extemsion of slavery, vote for a candidate who advocated or acquiesed to it or not vote. Given those choices what would you do? of course in both cases the candidates evolved their core principles to more enlightened positions.
• HitsRus

  

  Should they have been appeased by offering the mixed race couple a civil union instead of marriage. NO!

  A marraige in a traditional sense is a union between a man and a woman. What does race have to do with it other than to suit whatever the hell arguement you are trying to make?
• isadore

  HitsRus;1173618 wrote:A marraige in a traditional sense is a union between a man and a woman. What does race have to do with it other than to suit whatever the hell arguement you are trying to make?

  it is an analogous situation. Bigots were doing it to mixed couples before 1967, they do it to gay couples in most statees now.
• majorspark

  

  Obama has come out of the closet with his personal opinion (I am aware of the politics prompting his "coming out"). As for governmental authority on the issue he affirmed he believes it resides with the states on this issue. I agree.
• isadore

  hopefully a future enlightened Supreme Court will follow the precedent of the 1967 Loving decision and extend the equal protection of the law. Legalizing gay marriage throughout the United States.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1173611 wrote:well gosh a ruddies, in 1788 and 1792 Washington had no opposition, so either vote for him or not participate. In 1860 you could vote for lincoln who at least opposed the extemsion of slavery, vote for a candidate who advocated or acquiesed to it or not vote. Given those choices what would you do? of course in both cases the candidates evolved their core principles to more enlightened positions.

  I have already told you what I would do. I would not vote for a candidate that didn't believe a black man shouldn't vote. Would you?
  
  How you know what he would acquiesce to?....or would you simply vote for him and hope he acquiesced to the right position?
• HitsRus

  

  it is an analogous situation

  NO! it's not. Bigotry has no place in the historical tradition of religious marraige.
• isadore

  HitsRus;1173964 wrote:NO! it's not. Bigotry has no place in the historical tradition of religious marraige.

  the traditional view of marriage in much of the United States was between a man and a woman of the same race. the Loving decision ended the racial part of that tradition, hopefully an enlightened court in the future will end the gender tradition.
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1173952 wrote:I have already told you what I would do. I would not vote for a candidate that didn't believe a black man shouldn't vote. Would you?
  
  How you know what he would acquiesce to?....or would you simply vote for him and hope he acquiesced to the right position?

  what we have from him is examples of growth from his life, which of course we do not have from you.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1174109 wrote:what we have from him is examples of growth from his life, which of course we do not have from you.

  ...and yet you would have of way of knowing if or or if he would not grow and if so what he would grow into believing. Would you vote for that since at the time of your vote he did not believe a black man should vote?
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1174111 wrote:...and yet you would have of way of knowing if or or if he would not grow and if so what he would grow into believing. Would you vote for that since at the time of your vote he did not believe a black man should vote?

  luckily in our history the overall trend has been the evolution of core belief toward greater tolerance. So today, it is unthinkable for a major political candidate to believe blacks should not have suffrage. In 1860 you had 4 major party candidates, none supported black suffrage. But one had shown the ability to have his views evolve, he hatred slavery and opposed its extension. Something the other 3 would willingly accept. So a decent person would vote for Lincoln, because to not vote would aid his three bigoted opponents. You would not have voted for him and helped the bigots?
• Con_Alma

  DOes that mean you would vote for a man that didn't believe in letting blavk men vote based on the trends?
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1174128 wrote:DOes that mean you would vote for a man that didn't believe in letting blavk men vote based on the trends?

  does that mean you would aid in the extension of slavery?
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1174138 wrote:does that mean you would aid in the extension of slavery?

  Aid? No for there would be no way to know that at the time of the vote.
  
  Would you vote for a man that didn't believe a black man should vote?
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1174144 wrote:Aid? No for there's would be no way to know that at the time of the vote.
  
  Would you vote for a man that didn't believe a black man should vote?

  of course there was a way to know, three candidates are for it, one is against. if you refuse to vote for that one, you are aiding in the extension of slavery.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1174214 wrote:of course there was a way to know, three candidates are for it, one is against. if you refuse to vote for that one, you are aiding in the extension of slavery.

  If a candidate held the belief that a black man was able to vote I would find that very favorable.
  
  Would you vote for a man that didn't believe a black man should vote?
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1174216 wrote:If a candidate held the belief that a black man was able to vote I would find that very favorable.
  
  Would you vote for a man that didn't believe a black man should vote?

  would you help to extend slavery because of your core beliefs.
• Con_Alma

  No. I would not vote for a candidate that expressed his desire to extend slavery.
  
  Would you vote for a candidate that did not believe a black man should be able to vote?
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1174365 wrote:No. I would not vote for a candidate that expressed his desire to extend slavery.
  
  Would you vote for a candidate that did not believe a black man should be able to vote?

  that is not the question, the question is with 4 candidates to pick from, none of whom at the time support black suffrage, would you vote for the one candidate who opposes extension of slavery or not vote and there by help the candidates who want to extend slavery.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  isadore;1174360 wrote:would you help to extend slavery because of your core beliefs.

  Only if you were the slave.
• jhay78

  

  This is amazing. "Why can't everyone be more tolerant and accepting? Why can't we accept each other's views? Why are you opposed to something that doesn't harm or affect you in any way?"
  
  "What? You don't agree with gay marriage? You're not allowed in my mall."
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/16/Pacquiao-banned-LA-Mall
• isadore

  gosh a ruddies we find a few examples of individuals preventing a rich boxer from using his overpricd mall. But what do we have on the other side, generations of gays denied homes and jobs because of their sexual orientation. Being fired, being persecuted, being imprisoned, being killed because of their sexual orientation.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1174409 wrote:that is not the question, the question is with 4 candidates to pick from, none of whom at the time support black suffrage, would you vote for the one candidate who opposes extension of slavery or not vote and there by help the candidates who want to extend slavery.

  I think I have answered that already...multiple times. None of those individuals would receive my vote because they do not support the rights of a black man. I don't help anyone by not voting for them. The only power i have is my vote for someone. I don't pick the best of the worst. I vote for who represents my views.
  
  I would not vote for a candidate that didn't believe a black man should vote. It may not be your question but it is mine. I have tried to answer all of your questions. Will you answer mine?
  
  Would you vote for a candidate that didn't believe a black man should vote?
• isadore

  Con_Alma;1174885 wrote:I think I have answered that already...multiple times. None of those individuals would receive my vote because they do not support the rights of a black man. I don't help anyone by not voting for them. The only power i have is my vote for someone. I don't pick the best of the worst. I vote for who represents my views.
  
  I would not vote for a candidate that didn't believe a black man should vote. It may not be your question but it is mine. I have tried to answer all of your questions. Will you answer mine?
  
  Would you vote for a candidate that didn't believe a black man should vote?

  In the 2012 election i pledge to only vote for candidates that support black suffrage. so you by not voting for lincoln you would have aided those who wanted to extend slavery and hurt the one candidate who would have shown the ability to change in his core beliefs toward greater tolerance.
• Con_Alma

  isadore;1174898 wrote:In the 2012 election i pledge to only vote for candidates that support black suffrage. so you by not voting for lincoln you would have aided those who wanted to extend slavery and hurt the one candidate who would have shown the ability to change in his core beliefs toward greater tolerance.

  
  Yes, I would not have voted for Lincoln because he did not at the time of the election believe a black man should be able to vote.
  
  Would you vote for Lincoln knowing he didn't believe that a black man should be able to vote?