Mail, Bail-out and Union = Government Failure

• Belly35

  

  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/08/it-all-your-money-us-postal-service-bailout/
  
  
  The USPS is losing up to $25 million dollars a day. Until now, taxpayers have not been on the hook for its mounting losses, but that could be about to change. A bailout recently approved by the Senate would appropriate $34 billion in federal money.
  Congress shares much of the blame. For years, the Postal Service begged Washington for the freedom to cut its own budget by closing post offices and cutting employees. But Congress, under pressure from rural constituents and labor unions, prevented the cuts, and the service continued to bleed red ink. When there is a service failure the Union is involved.
  
  Government failure to operate a service that should be a profitable business adventure in the private sector is a perfect example of Federal Government and Politian’s incompetency to provide good business strategy and successful cost effect services to the American public. Remind yourself this is the same government that wants to run America Healthcare and they can’t deliver the mail now.
  
  Bail-out USPS no way….. Cut should be made and a business plan is provide to make the USPS a profitable operation …
• IggyPride00

  

  There is a reason that having a postal service is in the constitution.
  
  If it were privitized, there are many rural areas of America that are not profitable to deliver to that would have no mail service.
  
  THe Post Office is mandated to deliver everywhere, private enterprise doesn't take the same approach. They won't deliver to places that will lose money.
• Belly35

  

  IggyPride00;1164911 wrote:There is a reason that having a postal service is in the constitution.
  
  If it were privitized, there are many rural areas of America that are not profitable to deliver to that would have no mail service.
  
  THe Post Office is mandated to deliver everywhere, private enterprise doesn't take the same approach. They won't deliver to places that will lose money.

  Three day a week delivery to business and home (no weekend delivery) and in rural area location pick-up and drop-off at the local grocery store, gas station, community neighborhood mail location and or Post Office. If you want to live in a rural area you have to except the lack of service. Can't have the best of both worlds...
• Gblock

  at this point with technology...do we even need paper mail?...99percent of the mail i get is junk mail.
• IggyPride00

  

  If you want to live in a rural area you have to except the lack of service.

  That is not what the founders envisioned. I thought you were a member of the Tea Party?
• Belly35

  

  IggyPride00;1164931 wrote:That is not what the founders envisioned. I thought you were a member of the Tea Party?

  I never said to privatize the Postal Service I noted that in the private sector it would have to be a profitable business. Which is the differences between government non-accountability, unrealistic world, open check book and lack of competency of department vs the private sector where business plan are provided, strategy of the market are evaluated, accountability is the bottom line, spending justification and budget are required operational process.
  
  I agree that the Postal Mail Service should be a Government functions provided within the Constitution. Because the USPS is in the Constitution the writers of the Constitution did not mean for the Postal Service to be a burden on the taxing citizens.
  
  
• Belly35

  

  What will be the cost to you?
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/topics/postal-service-overhaul.htm
• queencitybuckeye

  IggyPride00;1164911 wrote:There is a reason that having a postal service is in the constitution.

  "Was" is a more correct term. There was a reason that no longer applies for multiple reasons.
  

  If it were privitized, there are many rural areas of America that are not profitable to deliver to that would have no mail service.

  Not true according to people I know who are in the business of getting items from point A to point B. Private companies would be capable of serving every address in this country for current mandated rates or even less. Every single address.
• fish82

  

  queencitybuckeye;1165000 wrote:"Was" is a more correct term.
  
  
  
  Not true according to people I know who are in the business of getting items from point A to point B. Private companies would be capable of serving every address in this country for current mandated rates or even less. Every single address.

  Agreed...in fact they already are. UPS/FedEx/DHL et al already contract out pickup/delivery to outlying zip codes.
• gut

  Gblock;1164928 wrote:at this point with technology...do we even need paper mail?...99percent of the mail i get is junk mail.

  This is a good point, but you have to remember that, believe it or not, many rural areas still have limited internet access. It's been a push, even a mandate, but until then you need good 'ol snail mail. Plus you'll still have the issue of how can these people pay $30 for internet (although I'm sure the gubmit will be happy to pick-up that check).
• Belly35

  

  gut;1165106 wrote:This is a good point, but you have to remember that, believe it or not, many rural areas still have limited internet access. It's been a push, even a mandate, but until then you need good 'ol snail mail. Plus you'll still have the issue of how can these people pay $30 for internet (although I'm sure the gubmit will be happy to pick-up that check).

  
  
  Other factors:
  Some people don't have banking account to pay bill on line
  Older people don't have computers nor can they use them
  Cost of the interent, computer and services is a problem for many
  Potential computer fraud and crime
• Gblock

  well certainly in 50-100 years paper mail will be obsolete...paper money for that matter wont be around forever.
• gut

  Belly35;1165148 wrote:Other factors:
  Some people don't have banking account to pay bill on line
  Older people don't have computers nor can they use them
  Cost of the interent, computer and services is a problem for many
  Potential computer fraud and crime

  And actually all pretty easily solved by requiring bill payment with direct debit to a bank account (not having a bank account shouldn't require extraordinary tax dollars to accomodate you). Then people can get a summary of their bills looking at their bank statement each month. If they still need paper bills, you can do a PO Box or mailbox at the grocery store as mentioned. And you can always pick-up the phone to call the utility company for detailed billing questions.
• Devils Advocate

  

  gut;1165195 wrote:And actually all pretty easily solved by requiring bill payment with direct debit to a bank account (not having a bank account shouldn't require extraordinary tax dollars to accomodate you). Then people can get a summary of their bills looking at their bank statement each month. If they still need paper bills, you can do a PO Box or mailbox at the grocery store as mentioned. And you can always pick-up the phone to call the utility company for detailed billing questions.

  If you let anyone have direct access to your checking account, You are an idiot. I cannot count the number of times that I have been overcharged. I once had an estimated electric bill that was 740.00.
• gut

  Devils Advocate;1165227 wrote:If you let anyone have direct access to your checking account, You are an idiot. I cannot count the number of times that I have been overcharged. I once had an estimated electric bill that was 740.00.

  Then use a credit card. Sounds like what you had was a billing error and not a debit error. I've been doing this for years and have never had a problem. If there have been any errors, they were easily corrected. I've never had any fights over billing issues with major utility/cable/phone/insurance companies.
• Belly35

  

  gut;1165195 wrote:And actually all pretty easily solved by requiring bill payment with direct debit to a bank account (not having a bank account shouldn't require extraordinary tax dollars to accomodate you). Then people can get a summary of their bills looking at their bank statement each month. If they still need paper bills, you can do a PO Box or mailbox at the grocery store as mentioned. And you can always pick-up the phone to call the utility company for detailed billing questions.

  
  In the real world you have to verify who you are, work and or ID history to open a account.
  So goes the Illegal , racial profiling and pissing off the Liberals
  
  Providing a driver license and social security number and legal (joint account) marriage licenses what would you say the percentages of Illegal have this information or the percentage of American criminal (felons) have this documentation?
• gut

  Belly35;1165252 wrote:...what would you say the percentages of Illegal have this information or the percentage of American criminal (felons) have this documentation?

  Oh, I agree that we should spend billions of taxpayer dollars because some people are illegal or too lazy to get ID. To do otherwise is just cruel and, in some cases, discriminatory.
• Belly35

  

  gut;1165261 wrote:Oh, I agree that we should spend billions of taxpayer dollars because some people are illegal or too lazy to get ID. To do otherwise is just cruel and, in some cases, discriminatory.

  
  I'm not disagreeing with you just stating some facts about the problems people would have without a mail service. Let not try a change the sytem in one day but lets correct the present problem the goverment has in run the Postal Service..... make the cuts, dump the Union, limit the service and provide accountablity and do what is need to make what we have profitable.. that what would happen in the private sector. Then rebuild a better system for the future incorporation technology also.
• gut

  I agree you can't just chop it overnight. But you could cut down on costs significantly eliminating delivery and transport. It would be a central place for UPS, FedEx or whoever to deliver to PO Boxes and mailboxes. It's a "few" buildings in rural areas with a couple of workers to administrate. Maybe a 95% cost reduction.
  
  Or can you just ax it? People have to have either a credit card or checking account to pay their bills currently, otherwise they are paying cash in person. So I'm not sure what new hardship is introduced. Only real issue is people setting up direct debit to a cc or checking account, and the companies will make sure that gets done because they want paid.
• QuakerOats

  IggyPride00;1164931 wrote:That is not what the founders envisioned. I thought you were a member of the Tea Party?

  The founders didn't envision the internet either ....... only Al Gore was privy to such heightened awareness.
  
  
• gut

  QuakerOats;1165374 wrote:The founders didn't envision the internet either ....... only Al Gore was privy to such heightened awareness.
  
  

  Liberals should just focus on the reduction of gasoline usage and CO2 emissions that would result from eliminating the USPS :laugh:
• 2kool4skool

  

  If you still regularly use paper mail, you're an idiot. Cut the cord and make old people/dumb people adapt.
• believer

  

  gut;1165106 wrote:This is a good point, but you have to remember that, believe it or not, many rural areas still have limited internet access. It's been a push, even a mandate, but until then you need good 'ol snail mail. Plus you'll still have the issue of how can these people pay $30 for internet (although I'm sure the gubmit will be happy to pick-up that check).

  Sounds cheaper than bailing out the obsolete USPS.
• Belly35

  

  2kool4skool;1165480 wrote:If you still regularly use paper mail, you're an idiot. Cut the cord and make old people/dumb people adapt.

  2kool4skool you can spell and have good grammar. You remind me of my failure of the writte word with your arrogant comments but in the real world I live in and the knowledge I posses you’re as astute butt butter.
  Over the past 5 year I have offered a percentage discount for those customers that will pay via direct deposit, electronic invoicing, online ordering presently I have 4 companies that took the offer completely and only a handful doing online ordering the other are paper, mail, fax, phone in orders and the check is in the mail.. Many of my suppliers are not prepared for the electronic accounting. Small to Mid size manufacturing, suppliers, vendors and customers don't have the software, computer link and personal to venture into electronic billing/accounting. Small companies can’t always upgrade software, computers and internet to meet the growing demands of e-com.
  
  Why your solution for this issue stop the economy so the idiots can keep up?
  
  
• 2kool4skool

  

  Belly35;1165829 wrote:2kool4skool you can spell and have good grammar. You remind me of my failure of the writte word with your arrogant comments but in the real world I live in and the knowledge I posses you’re as astute butt butter.
  
  Why your solution for this issue stop the economy so the idiots can keep up?
  

  I can't understand what you're trying to say or what point you're trying to get across. I'm not using this as a way to "burn" you or whatever, but there's just no way this is the most coherent you can make your writing.