The Zelikow Memo

• Footwedge

  Con_Alma;1145728 wrote:???
  
  I did too answer your question.
  
  I would assume he could state it because he believes it and wasn't providing the information in attempt to prove anything to you.
  
  He truly believes it. He isn't trying to prove it to anyone, especially you or me.

  You answered nothing.
  
  The question again since you missed it up above.
  
  How can Cheney be permitted to spew his opinion without even one scribe of documentaton from our intel agencies confirming his "opinion" from our intel agencies?
  
  Dick Cheney should be in jail...and will be if he ever sets foot in Europe...or even Canada for that matter.
• Footwedge

  Oooh boy....looks like Darth Cheney will have further 'splainin to do. Since I asked the posters above to provide proof from any of our intel agencies supporting Darth's unfounded claim regarding torture, a new Senate report comes out stating the exact opposite. Where are you Darth? LOL.
  
  Originally the Congressional report was bipartisan, but after millions of pages of deciphering, the Republicans saw that there was no meat to their claims....and so they took their ball and went home.
  
  So.....not only does our country violate our own laws and international laws regarding torture, we have gained nothing at all through these vile and sadistic practices.
  
  "Reuters) - A nearly three-year-long investigation by Senate Intelligence Committee Democrats is expected to find there is little evidence the harsh "enhanced interrogation techniques" the CIA used on high-value prisoners produced counter-terrorism breakthroughs..."
  
  http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-senate-probe-finds-little-evidence-effective-torture-051456121.html
• fish82

  

  Footwedge;1156542 wrote:Oooh boy....looks like Darth Cheney will have further 'splainin to do. Since I asked the posters above to provide proof from any of our intel agencies supporting Darth's unfounded claim regarding torture, a new Senate report comes out stating the exact opposite. Where are you Darth? LOL.
  
  Originally the Congressional report was bipartisan, but after millions of pages of deciphering, the Republicans saw that there was no meat to their claims....and so they took their ball and went home.
  
  So.....not only does our country violate our own laws and international laws regarding torture, we have gained nothing at all through these vile and sadistic practices.
  
  "Reuters) - A nearly three-year-long investigation by Senate Intelligence Committee Democrats is expected to find there is little evidence the harsh "enhanced interrogation techniques" the CIA used on high-value prisoners produced counter-terrorism breakthroughs..."
  
  http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-senate-probe-finds-little-evidence-effective-torture-051456121.html

  The Director of the Central Intelligence Agency disagrees with the Senate Democrats. That's all you really need to know.
• Con_Alma

  Footwedge;1155251 wrote:You answered nothing.
  
  The question again since you missed it up above.
  
  How can Cheney be permitted to spew his opinion without even one scribe of documentaton from our intel agencies confirming his "opinion" from our intel agencies?
  
  **** Cheney should be in jail...and will be if he ever sets foot in Europe...or even Canada for that matter.

  
  How? because it's his opinion. People do not require documents to confirm their opinion. They aren't facts. They are opinions.
  
  I don't know who would restrict this opinion. Why shouldn't he be "permitted"?
• Footwedge

  Con_Alma;1156732 wrote:How? because it's his opinion. People do not require documents to confirm their opinion. They aren't facts. They are opinions.
  
  I don't know who would restrict this opinion. Why shouldn't he be "permitted"?

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  People have a right to express an opinion. But when that opinion includes war criminality, one should be held accountable.
  
  If I were a famous person and took to the media airways and said "my opinion is that mentally retarded people should all be euthanized, would I be held accountable? Or could I play the "hey, it's just my opinion" card?
  
  The point with Cheney...he needs to shut his pie hole once and for all. Bush the 43rd has learned this valuable lesson.
• Footwedge

  Jose Rodriquez trying to justify torture on 60 minutes....LOL.
• believer

  

  Footwedge;1156792 wrote:The point with Cheney...he needs to shut his pie hole once and for all. Bush the 43rd has learned this valuable lesson.

  Now if we can just get Obama to learn a valuable lesson about Biden's pie hole.
• Con_Alma

  Footwedge;1156792 wrote:\
  
  People have a right to express an opinion. But when that opinion includes war criminality, one should be held accountable.
  
  If I were a famous person and took to the media airways and said "my opinion is that mentally retarded people should all be euthanized, would I be held accountable? Or could I play the "hey, it's just my opinion" card?
  
  The point with Cheney...he needs to shut his pie hole once and for all. Bush the 43rd has learned this valuable lesson.

  
  Lol. Those who have the ability to "hold him accountable" don't have the desire.
  
  Cheny will die soon. He can chatter away until his death just as you and I can.
• jhay78

  

  Footwedge;1157081 wrote:Jose Rodriquez trying to justify torture on 60 minutes....LOL.

  Funny . . . I thought he was trying to justify enhanced interrogation techniques, one of which is waterboarding. Must have been a different interview.
  
  Bottom line is that Congress was briefed on these techniques (and Pelosi later lied about it), Bush's Justice Department confirmed they were legal, and oh btw they worked.
  
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-path-to-osama-bin-ladens-death-didnt-start-with-obama/2012/04/30/gIQAfFmdsT_story.html
  

  A couple of years later, after I became head of the National Clandestine Service, the CIA was able to discover the true name of the courier. Armed with that information, the agency worked relentlessly to locate that man. Finding him eventually led to tracking down and killing bin Laden.
  
  With some trying to turn bin Laden’s death into a campaign talking point for Obama’s reelection, it is useful to remember that the trail to bin Laden started in a CIA black site — all of which Obama ordered closed, forever, on the second full day of his administration — and stemmed from information obtained from hardened terrorists who agreed to tell us some (but not all) of what they knew after undergoing harsh but legal interrogation methods. Obama banned those methods on Jan. 22, 2009.
  
  This past weekend, Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Carl Levin attacked statements made in May 2011 by me, former CIA director Michael Hayden and former attorney general Michael Mukasey regarding what led to bin Laden’s death. They misunderstood and mischaracterized our positions.
  
  No single tactic, technique or approach led to the successful operation against bin Laden. But those who suggest it was all a result of a fresh approach taken after Jan. 20, 2009, are mistaken.