Republican candidates for 2012

• BGFalcons82

  

  Cleveland Buck;956570 wrote:I didn't say all that, although it wouldn't surprise me. Why do you think Ron Paul can't get any positive media coverage? The changes Paul is pushing for would end the fascist gravy train for the big banks, and they all do hold places on the boards of these news networks. What better explanation is there?

  If he can't get his way with the media...any media, he needs to speak directly to the people. Reagan was a master at it. It can be done. Hell, Reagan didn't have the free media of today (youtube, internet, blogs, etc.), but Paul has them at his disposal. Is he waiting for something first?
  
  This is one reason some people don't take him as a serious candidate. He won't get out in front and get his face on TV everyday, like Cain is doing. I think Paul could be as popular as Herman Cain is becoming, but he needs to get with his program before the clock strikes midnight. Maybe he should hire yourself and O-Trap to be his media-reps. Y'all seem to be quite capable at carrying his water.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  BGFalcons82;956630 wrote:If he can't get his way with the media...any media, he needs to speak directly to the people. Reagan was a master at it. It can be done. Hell, Reagan didn't have the free media of today (youtube, internet, blogs, etc.), but Paul has them at his disposal. Is he waiting for something first?
  
  This is one reason some people don't take him as a serious candidate. He won't get out in front and get his face on TV everyday, like Cain is doing. I think Paul could be as popular as Herman Cain is becoming, but he needs to get with his program before the clock strikes midnight. Maybe he should hire yourself and O-Trap to be his media-reps. Y'all seem to be quite capable at carrying his water.

  Paul owns the internet, but that is not where the vast majority of Republican primary voters get their information. He gets on there as much as he is permitted, but once he is off the air they started talking about all of the other candidates and rarely ever mention Paul unless they are misrepresenting his positions.
• O-Trap

  

  BGFalcons82;956630 wrote:If he can't get his way with the media...any media, he needs to speak directly to the people. Reagan was a master at it. It can be done. Hell, Reagan didn't have the free media of today (youtube, internet, blogs, etc.), but Paul has them at his disposal. Is he waiting for something first?
  
  This is one reason some people don't take him as a serious candidate. He won't get out in front and get his face on TV everyday, like Cain is doing. I think Paul could be as popular as Herman Cain is becoming, but he needs to get with his program before the clock strikes midnight. Maybe he should hire yourself and O-Trap to be his media-reps. Y'all seem to be quite capable at carrying his water.

  Actually, I've mentioned that part of what stands in Paul's way is that he knows the issues too well, and he doesn't play the game to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
  
  He's hands-down the least intrusive, most economically wise candidate in the running, but because he's not as good a public speaker (which Reagan was, and which Obama is) and because he talks about the issues as they are instead of doing so in sound bites and trite slogans (9-9-9 anyone?), he's just not a sexy pick to a culture who would rather have a good speaker than a good leader and decision maker.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  He got out there today. I don't know how many Republican primary voters watch Morning Joe, but it looked like Scarborough was ready to endorse him right then and there. Too bad he isn't on Fox where the R voters will see it.
  
  [video=youtube;CkUlsJhMW6s][/video]
• Skyhook79

  

  Cleveland Buck;956792 wrote:He got out there today. I don't know how many Republican primary voters watch Morning Joe, but it looked like Scarborough was ready to endorse him right then and there. Too bad he isn't on Fox where the R voters will see it.
  
  [video=youtube;CkUlsJhMW6s][/video]

  
  O'Reilly has invited Paul on several times where are Ron Pauls "stones" ??
• majorspark

  

  jhay78;956327 wrote:This whole Herman Cain thing is quite baffling. If Perry's camp is involved with leaking that somehow, then someone needs to be fired or Perry should drop out of the race. If his team was truly not involved, then Cain's campaign looks desperate and ill-informed.

  I listened to Cain on Hannity today. Cain pretty much set the record straight to this point. He made some very bold statements as too his character. He would be more than happy if the National Restaurant Association black out the names and released the agreement. Cain is not a signatory to the agreement and by law is ignorant to the details of it. As long as Cain is not found to be a liar most primary voters see this for what it is. Cain is leading in the latest Rasmussen poll. Conducted 3 days after this crap came out.
  
  Cain 26%, Romney 23%, Gingrich 14%
  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_republican_presidential_primary
  
  As for the Perry campaign being involved I don't know. If I were Cain unless I had concrete proof I would probably back off. You don't want to be falsely accusing someone at the same time you are claiming false accusations are being levied against you. Perry blaming Romney? On what evidence? You'll have a hard time finding it with Romney. He knows how to cover his tracks.
• I Wear Pants

  Skyhook79;956927 wrote:O'Reilly has invited Paul on several times where are Ron Pauls "stones" ??

  Paul was you know, in a different state at the time and had other engagements if I recall. And didn't O'Reilly just yell over Paul the last time he was on there like he does with everyone else?
• O-Trap

  

  Skyhook79;956927 wrote:O'Reilly has invited Paul on several times where are Ron Pauls "stones" ??

  
  Paul has been on O'Reilly several times. Past behavior, not to mention that O'Reilly's only arguments are usually out-shouting anyone who disagrees with him, indicate that going on O'Reilly yet again wouldn't do anything.
  
  That's beside the fact that BillO asked him to come on during times when he has been campaigning elsewhere in the country.
  

  I Wear Pants;956939 wrote:Paul was you know, in a different state at the time and had other engagements if I recall. And didn't O'Reilly just yell over Paul the last time he was on there like he does with everyone else?

  Oh, you know, appearing on Bill O'Reilly and getting into a shouting match with a slow-thinking, loud speaking talking head, not being able to get a word in edgewise, is apparently important to some people.
  
  It would be little more effective than playing Bop-the-Gopher on national TV.
• Skyhook79

  

  I Wear Pants;956939 wrote:Paul was you know, in a different state at the time and had other engagements if I recall. And didn't O'Reilly just yell over Paul the last time he was on there like he does with everyone else?

  It was an open invitation anytime O'Reilly said...and stop with the "O'Reilly won't let me talk" crap. More people watch O'Reilly than any other cablenews station you would think he would love to get on there.
• pmoney25

  

  http://youtu.be/JrKD6MGHSmM
  
  sorry for the link. The embed wasn't working for some reason
  
  Pretty much saying, Oreilly is an idiot and waste of time to go on his show.
• I Wear Pants

  Skyhook79;957003 wrote:It was an open invitation anytime O'Reilly said...and stop with the "O'Reilly won't let me talk" crap. More people watch O'Reilly than any other cablenews station you would think he would love to get on there.

  And get shouted down while people who watch O'Reilly think that Bill won the debate because he was louder. Yeah, that will help him a whole lot.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  I'm sure Dr. Paul will go on there again. It's just a waste of time. He has more important things to do than sit there and listen to O' Reilly scream that we need to go to war with Iran and Pakistan and Syria over everything he says. The issue isn't so much that he doesn't get interviews. It's that when they aren't interviewing anyone and just discussing the race it's just 9-9-9 or Cain won a straw poll or Romney is everyone's choice or Perry's tax plan will get him back in the hunt. Never a mention of Paul unless they are misrepresenting his positions in some way.
• majorspark

  

  Cleveland Buck;956792 wrote:He got out there today. I don't know how many Republican primary voters watch Morning Joe, but it looked like Scarborough was ready to endorse him right then and there. Too bad he isn't on Fox where the R voters will see it.

  Seriously. Your whining about Fox is unfounded. Since Paul declared his run for president he has appeared on Fox 43x.
  
  Latest 10/26 in the center seat on Fox News Special Report for 45 minutes. He did well.
  
  http://www.dailypaul.com/184626/alert-ron-paul-on-fox-tomorrow-special-report-w-bret-baier-6pm-slot-est-oct-26
• Cleveland Buck

  

  majorspark;957183 wrote:Seriously. Your whining about Fox is unfounded. Since Paul declared his run for president he has appeared on Fox 43x.
  
  Latest 10/26 in the center seat on Fox News Special Report for 45 minutes. He did well.
  
  http://www.dailypaul.com/184626/alert-ron-paul-on-fox-tomorrow-special-report-w-bret-baier-6pm-slot-est-oct-26

  Cleveland Buck;957134 wrote:I'm sure Dr. Paul will go on there again. It's just a waste of time. He has more important things to do than sit there and listen to O' Reilly scream that we need to go to war with Iran and Pakistan and Syria over everything he says. The issue isn't so much that he doesn't get interviews. It's that when they aren't interviewing anyone and just discussing the race it's just 9-9-9 or Cain won a straw poll or Romney is everyone's choice or Perry's tax plan will get him back in the hunt. Never a mention of Paul unless they are misrepresenting his positions in some way.

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• majorspark

  

  Cleveland Buck;957188 wrote:The issue isn't so much that he doesn't get interviews. It's that when they aren't interviewing anyone and just discussing the race it's just 9-9-9 or Cain won a straw poll or Romney is everyone's choice or Perry's tax plan will get him back in the hunt. Never a mention of Paul unless they are misrepresenting his positions in some way

  The only people that can stand to listen to political comentary are the die hards. The average voter wants to hear the words right from the horses mouth. Cain has surged in the polls because average voters are watching and hearing him in his own words at the debates. Perry fell off the map because of his debate performance. If there is any argument I think Paul does not always get good time to make his points its at the debates. Its hard to slice the steak up in a few seconds.
• I Wear Pants

  majorspark;957260 wrote:The only people that can stand to listen to political comentary are the die hards. The average voter wants to hear the words right from the horses mouth. Cain has surged in the polls because average voters are watching and hearing him in his own words at the debates. Perry fell off the map because of his debate performance. If there is any argument I think Paul does not always get good time to make his points its at the debates. Its hard to slice the steak up in a few seconds.

  The average voter is too stupid to understand the words from the horse's mouth. Cain has surged because the GOP machine thinks they have a good chance with him. I disagree with that.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Anyone with a pulse has a chance of winning. The Cain and 99% smokescreen doesn't mask the fact that the U.S. is an awful place currently. Unemployment isn't abating. The economy isn't growing like it should (despite the media trumping up lousy positive jobs production that they would have hung W with 6 years ago).
  
  It is a long time before November '12, and unfortunately might be a longer time for Americans that care about the country and their children.
• WebFire

  pmoney25;957100 wrote:http://youtu.be/JrKD6MGHSmM
  
  sorry for the link. The embed wasn't working for some reason
  
  Pretty much saying, Oreilly is an idiot and waste of time to go on his show.

  The ending was freaking classic.
• BoatShoes

  majorspark;957260 wrote:The only people that can stand to listen to political comentary are the die hards.

  Don't you agree though that the feelings of the hardcore conservative base and the die hards though at least can move candidates to the front of the pack? If you look at sites like Realclearpolitics which compiles different op-eds, etc. There are op-eds about Perry, Santorum, Bachmann, Cain and Romney over the last several weeks and months in major newspapers but there are hardly any about Ron Paul.
  
  I don't know what it is but his name just doesn't seem to be in the conversation amongst Conservative kingmakers, etc. At least the way I see it.
  
  Don't get me wrong. Obviously being a liberal it is unlikely I would vote for him but it seems to me he is still treated like a quirky, non-serious candidate rather than a serious candidate. There is still a lot of time left until the election though. If the anti-Romney's keep having their setbacks maybe he gets his shot.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Iran-war-nuclear-Britain/2011/11/03/id/416733?s=al
  
  Outstanding. The economy just will not recover. The Fed is out of bullets. The government is out of bullets. So let's go to war to rally the people. Once troops are in Iran I give us 6 months before the economy completely collapses.
• majorspark

  

  Cleveland Buck;957575 wrote:Outstanding. The economy just will not recover. The Fed is out of bullets. The government is out of bullets. So let's go to war to rally the people. Once troops are in Iran I give us 6 months before the economy completely collapses.

  Obama does not even need to get the permission of congress either.
• jhay78

  

  majorspark;956932 wrote:I listened to Cain on Hannity today. Cain pretty much set the record straight to this point. He made some very bold statements as too his character. He would be more than happy if the National Restaurant Association black out the names and released the agreement. Cain is not a signatory to the agreement and by law is ignorant to the details of it. As long as Cain is not found to be a liar most primary voters see this for what it is. Cain is leading in the latest Rasmussen poll. Conducted 3 days after this crap came out.
  
  Cain 26%, Romney 23%, Gingrich 14%
  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_republican_presidential_primary
  
  As for the Perry campaign being involved I don't know. If I were Cain unless I had concrete proof I would probably back off. You don't want to be falsely accusing someone at the same time you are claiming false accusations are being levied against you. Perry blaming Romney? On what evidence? You'll have a hard time finding it with Romney. He knows how to cover his tracks.

  Exactly. I don't have any problem with Cain and the allegations. It's pretty obvious the smear crap being played by Politico and others. I just don't know about his chief of staff (Block I think is his name) being so adamant about it coming from Perry's people.
  
  Herman Cain was pretty quick to jump on Perry about the rock in the woods painted with the N word on it, although he did back off later and call it for what it was. I hope they're not assuming too much now without evidence.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  The Cain allegations mean nothing to me. I could never support him anyway. He is Mitt Romney. Two faced, no position on anything, fight more wars, cut nothing, spend more money, print more money. He is a joke of a candidate, and the sexual harassment has nothing to do with it.
• O-Trap

  

  majorspark;957602 wrote:Obama does not even need to get the permission of congress either.

  Hell, he doesn't even need to charge someone to off them. Obama = Heman. "I HAVE THE POWERRRRRRRRRRRRR!"
• I Wear Pants

  Newsmax.com is a reputable source of information now?