Republican candidates for 2012

• O-Trap

  

  pmoney25;938231 wrote:Romney vs Obama in 2012. Better get used to it.

  Ugh ... so more of the same, no matter what the majority of Americans choose.
• Little Danny

  

  Whoever is advising Perry on the debates needs to be fired. If Perry is doing his own thing (which I suspect he is) he needs to just drop from the race right now. He is looking so desperate up there, especially with the way he wouldn't let go of the whole "Romney hired illegal aliens" bit.
• believer

  

  I Wear Pants;938144 wrote:This is the same as the blame Bush thing. "Someone said something bad about a conservative? Don't refute it, just mention how bad I think Obama is!"

  Bush Fatigue begot Barry, yet I'd take Bush back in a heartbeat over what we're witnessing now.
• pmoney25

  

  I didnt say I wanted new to win. I wish Ron Paul would win. Im stick of these debates. I watched about an hour of the post debate coverage on a couple channels and all I heard was how mitt and perry were going after each other. Nothing about ideas or how we are suppose to turn this country around.
  
  
  After watching that debacle and realizing the other choice is even worse ( obama), I really believe this country is doomed.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  What are the main complaints with Romney? I think he'd be a damn fine President.
  
  Hopefully Cain's bubble will burst with this information. Thanks for sharing Pants. Reps.
• ralphus33

  I Wear Pants;938286 wrote:The 9-9-9 plan is a tax increase on 84% of the country.

  That is not true. I haven't looked at their analysis extremely closely, but it appears to be inconsistent and unfair. In their analysis they say that the 9% tax on businesses is nothing more than a sales tax passed on to the consumer, so they add it to the 9% sales tax and say that consumers will be taxed 18%. However when they include the tax rate for today's system they fail to pass any embedded taxes onto the consumer.
• Footwedge

  gut;938287 wrote:That's why substitutes matter, and they will significantly impact that elasticity of demand.
  
  And surely you don't mean the govt fixing prices will result in a fair/equilibrium price?!?

  Again....not what I said, nor what I implied. How did you dedice that from what I posted? Reread my post.
• bases_loaded

  

  Last night was a joke. It was gotcha journalism in debate form. The goal was to get the candidates to bicker and they fucking did.
• gut

  Footwedge;938244 wrote: What you say here is somewhat accurate. Elasticity will determine selling price. However, as Adam Smith clearlyy stated, only competition from others entering the market will yield an invisible hand fair price.
  
  A monopoly will never yield a fair market price, unless the government oversteps it's bounds and fixes said prices. This is what they did to Ma Bell when I was a kid. Even with that, investing in Ma Bell was a sure winner that could not lose....and the consumer still overpaid.

  Footwedge;938399 wrote:Again....not what I said, nor what I implied. How did you dedice that from what I posted? Reread my post.

  In addition to economics, you might want to sign up for an English class then, as well, because what you said and implied was unambiguous and clearly different from what you must have intended to say. Or am I misquoting the above quote again?
  
  And, by the way, you do realize a lot has been written and advanced in the field of economics since Adam Smith?
• Hamler Bulldogs

  

  pmoney25;938356 wrote:I didnt say I wanted new to win. I wish Ron Paul would win. Im stick of these debates. I watched about an hour of the post debate coverage on a couple channels and all I heard was how mitt and perry were going after each other. Nothing about ideas or how we are suppose to turn this country around.
  
  
  After watching that debacle and realizing the other choice is even worse ( obama), I really believe this country is doomed.

  If Ron Paul was about 15 years younger.i'd vote for him in a heartbeat,he's just to old.
• queencitybuckeye

  I Wear Pants;938286 wrote:The 9-9-9 plan is a tax increase on 84% of the country.

  If it would be used to pay our bills, fine by me. I don't think I'll hold my breath for that to happen, though.
• WebFire

  Hamler Bulldogs;938436 wrote:If Ron Paul was about 15 years younger.i'd vote for him in a heartbeat,he's just to old.

  I'll vote anyway. Reagan was 70 his first year in office.
• Con_Alma

  queencitybuckeye;938465 wrote:If it would be used to pay our bills, fine by me. I don't think I'll hold my breath for that to happen, though.

  This.
• BGFalcons82

  

  WebFire;938467 wrote:I'll vote anyway. Reagan was 70 his first year in office.

  He will be 77 by his first year and 81 by the end of his term. I guess if you think JoePa is da bomb, vote for Ron!
  
  Watched about half the debate and several of Ron's comments. He speaks almost incoherently. He's very hard to follow and I think I'm pretty politically astute. He obviously is trying to cram 5 minutes of words into 60 seconds and he comes off poorly...IMO.
• BGFalcons82

  

  bases_loaded;938414 wrote:Last night was a joke. It was gotcha journalism in debate form. The goal was to get the candidates to bicker and they fucking did.

  Yep. They lost focus on the idiot-in-chief and went after each other...except for Newt. He acknowledged several good points made by his brethren on stage and even gave Cain some deserved kudos. I think Newt easily won the debate, as he has all of them to date. The dumbfuck had to go make a commercial with Comrade Pelosi and that just kills me and his chances.
• Skyhook79

  

  I Wear Pants;938286 wrote:The 9-9-9 plan is a tax increase on 84% of the country.

  
  Oh look a Rick Santorum talking point spewed out by i wear pants
• WebFire

  BGFalcons82;938478 wrote:He will be 77 by his first year and 81 by the end of his term. I guess if you think JoePa is da bomb, vote for Ron!
  
  Watched about half the debate and several of Ron's comments. He speaks almost incoherently. He's very hard to follow and I think I'm pretty politically astute. He obviously is trying to cram 5 minutes of words into 60 seconds and he comes off poorly...IMO.

  You are not entirely incorrect. But on the other hand, the others come across as used car saleman puppets. Paul speaks it how he sees and feels it. Notice he was the only one taking notes during the damn thing? The others have canned responses to everything, even if it's not the question asked to them.
  
  Voting for the one that sounds good got us Obama.
• BGFalcons82

  

  I Wear Pants;938286 wrote:The 9-9-9 plan is a tax increase on 84% of the country.

  Prove it, Pants.
  
  I think Cain needs some visual aids. If I were him, I'd have handlers bring out the US Tax code volume-by-volume and stack them on top of one another and then have Herman sit on them....with the help of a ladder. Then, I'd line up a supposed "expert" answer a tax question from the audience. And then I'd have 2nd and 3rd "experts" answer it differently to show the absolute sham of the tax code we now employ.
  
  By the way, Majorspark, I read online that the tax code is nearly 80,000 pages, not 7500 and there have been 569 new tax regulations enacted in 2011 ALONE. The damn tax system is a fucking farce and Herman is only pointing the way to simplicity and understanding. Shame on him for not wanting to pander to lobbyists, reward campaign donators, social-engineer the country into bankruptcy, steal from "trust funds", and be the CEO for companies that are deemed "too big to fail".
  
  We are flat out busted and broke. We have a tax code that not 1 person in the United States can understand fully. We fund our country on the backs of 53% of its citizens while the other 47% pitch hissy-fits and cry-athons on city streets wanting even MORE from the 53%. And Cain is the evil bad guy now for exposing it all. May God save us from ourselves.
• WebFire

  So what if it raises taxes on 84%? It's because so many pay NO taxes...
  

  The Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank, says low- and middle-income families would be hit hardest, with households making between $10,000 and $20,000 seeing their taxes increase by nearly 950 percent....

  Last I checked, 9% is higher than 0%.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Hamler Bulldogs;938436 wrote:If Ron Paul was about 15 years younger.i'd vote for him in a heartbeat,he's just to old.

  
• Belly35

  

  Sorry Mitt Romney as of last night you lost Belly support and vote mofo.
  
  Anyone of the GOP canidates are better than the present Public Servant.
• jhay78

  

  Romney just feels and sounds like the slimiest politician of all those on the stage. Comes across as arrogant and like another moderator on the stage. Attacking Rick Perry's honest and truthful claims about the need to reform SS; continuously harping on the Rick Perry/pastor/saying Mormonism is a cult thingy, when he should've let that die a long time ago.
• BGFalcons82

  

  jhay78;938606 wrote:Romney just feels and sounds like the slimiest politician of all those on the stage. Comes across as arrogant and like another moderator on the stage. Attacking Rick Perry's honest and truthful claims about the need to reform SS; continuously harping on the Rick Perry/pastor/saying Mormonism is a cult thingy, when he should've let that die a long time ago.

  Did you notice Anderson Cooper not wanting to get into the state of the economy, jobs, unemployment, spending, etc. and focus on tertiary issues like what a pastor said, immigration, foreign policy, Iran, etc.?
  
  What network employs him, again?
• I Wear Pants

  BGFalcons82;938488 wrote:Prove it, Pants.
  
  I think Cain needs some visual aids. If I were him, I'd have handlers bring out the US Tax code volume-by-volume and stack them on top of one another and then have Herman sit on them....with the help of a ladder. Then, I'd line up a supposed "expert" answer a tax question from the audience. And then I'd have 2nd and 3rd "experts" answer it differently to show the absolute sham of the tax code we now employ.
  
  By the way, Majorspark, I read online that the tax code is nearly 80,000 pages, not 7500 and there have been 569 new tax regulations enacted in 2011 ALONE. The damn tax system is a fucking farce and Herman is only pointing the way to simplicity and understanding. Shame on him for not wanting to pander to lobbyists, reward campaign donators, social-engineer the country into bankruptcy, steal from "trust funds", and be the CEO for companies that are deemed "too big to fail".
  
  We are flat out busted and broke. We have a tax code that not 1 person in the United States can understand fully. We fund our country on the backs of 53% of its citizens while the other 47% pitch hissy-fits and cry-athons on city streets wanting even MORE from the 53%. And Cain is the evil bad guy now for exposing it all. May God save us from ourselves.

  http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/Cain-9-9-9-plan.cfm
• Abe Vigoda

  

  Belly35;938593 wrote:Sorry Mitt Romney as of last night you lost Belly support and vote mofo.
  
  Anyone of the GOP canidates are better than the present Public Servant.

  I thought Mitt Romney did a good job. He has my vote right now.