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Cleveland Buck

Don't worry about it Gibby. If Ron Paul isn't the nominee the Republican running will not only lose the independents to Obama but will also lose 10% of Republicans to third party/no shows, so there isn't much chance any of them will beat Obama, unless it is Paul, who incidentally in Florida:

PPP Poll

Florida
9/22 - 9/25
476 voters
+/-4.5%

General Election Matchups:

Obama 45%

Paul 44%

Obama 46%

Romney 45%

Obama 49%

Bachmann 44%

Obama 50%

Perry 43%

Obama 50%

Gingrich 42%

Independents:

Paul 52%

Obama 37%

Obama 45%

Romney 42%

Obama 47%

Bachmann 43%

Obama 47%

Gingrich 38%

Obama 53%

Perry 40%

bigdaddy2003

Not sure about how to find the video Ty. Christie said at his speech at the Reagan Library that there was a video on Politico.com that gives his answer and someone said that the video says that he isn't running.

Cleveland, I think a couple of the candidates are capable of beating Obama. I respect your opinion about Paul but I think others could beat Obama also.

majorspark

bigdaddy2003;916020 wrote:Yes, he isn't running.

The republican establishment is pushing him to run. Reportedly George W Bush, Henry Kissenger, and Nancy Reagan all talked with Christie and encoured him to do it for his country. Establishment republicans are scared shitless someon like Cain, Paul, or to a lessar extent Perry get the nomination. With recent polls showing Cain gaining ground and Paul performing well has the establishment scrambling.

Ty Webb

major....

I kinda liken it to when Obama started climbing up the polls in 08 and the Democratic establishment started shitting themselves

BGFalcons82

Ty Webb;916007 wrote:Five things Conservative voters will hate about Chris Christie

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/chris_christie_flaws.html

If this were any other election, I'd think long and hard about voting for the NJ Governor. This one in 2012 is different than any other election I've been a part of. Our country is at a tipping point in history economically. We need a strong leader. We need somebody that doesn't mince words. We need someone to take charge and lead from the front. We need someone to tie us together with bailing wire and duct tape if need be and NOT separate us into classes, skin colors, nationalities, unions, and castes. Mr. Christie fits this requirement to a T.

Do I like his immigration stance? No, but I've seen worse.
Do I like his 2nd Amendment statements about controlling "some guns" (whateverthefuck that is)? No, but at least he's not like Obama's stance.
Do I like his comments about the Ground Zero mosque? No, but that's something for the New Yorkers to decide, not some paeon in Podunk, Ohio.
Do I like his Race to the Top needs? This isn't very high on my, "OMG, he's not a true conservative" tote board.

I DO LIKE his stance on all matters economic. He pulled the plug on a $2,000,000,000,000 tunnel project linking NJ to NY because they didn't have the money. Shocking stuff, eh?
I do like his standing up to the almighty unions in NJ.
I do like his ability to balance budgets.
I do like his inate ability to make decisions and not apologize for pissing the losers off. Strong leadership this is called and not cowering to the masses and those with a minority viewpoint.

In stronger economic and leadership times, yeah...I'd be for someone else. In 2012....he's the man best suited for the job. We can't afford 4 more years of Barry and survive. Hell, as Oats says, November 2012 can't get here fast enough.

bigdaddy2003

I like his economic side and the fact that he doesn't let people run all over him but other than that I'm not a big fan.

jhay78

jmog;915847 wrote:Man I hope he runs, I know he will take some hits for his change of heart, but he would be my first choice of all the GOP candidates.

Give him Cain (or Paul) as a running mate and wow...nice ticket .

Count me as a non-Christie fan. Does he have solid fiscal positions? Yes. Does he do a great job taking on the NJ teacher's unions? Yes. Do two issues out of 20 (or so) make you automatically a great conservative? No.

First of all, the guy stated multiple times, emphatically, that he's not (or wasn't) ready to be president. Right there are about 15 ready-made commercials for the Obama campaign. But back to the issues:

1. 26 states have challenged Obamacare via the legal system. New Jersey is not one of them. Why I don't know, but to me there's no excuse. This tops the list for me.

2. He's been shaky on gun rights and the 2nd Amendment.

3. Spoken in favor of the "green movement" and man-made climate change/global warming.

4. Shaky on handling illegal immigration (amnesty).

5. He made a controversial (at best) judicial appointment of Sohail Mohammed, who has some ties to some shady Islamist organizations. When questioned about these ties, Christie responded in his usual calm, humble, thoughtful way and insulted anyone who dares to question the role of sharia law in the American judicial system.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/273865/christies-crazies-andrew-c-mccarthy?page=1

On top of all that, Christie has proven himself to be one arrogant governor. At first, I got a kick out of his antics when they were directed at New Jersey's teachers unions, then I realized that he operates this way far too frequently. It's one thing to be firm, bold, and not take crap from the media and leftist opponents; it's another to turn every speech and press conference into a YouTube audition and sling arrogance and rudeness every which direction. The recent hurricane was a perfect example: "Get the hell off the beach. You've worked on your suntan long enough" or something to that effect. Not very professional or statesmanlike if you ask me.

If he does get into the race, he's going to have a lot of questions to answer.

majorspark

BGFalcons82;916100 wrote:If this were any other election, I'd think long and hard about voting for the NJ Governor. This one in 2012 is different than any other election I've been a part of. Our country is at a tipping point in history economically. We need a strong leader. We need somebody that doesn't mince words. We need someone to take charge and lead from the front. We need someone to tie us together with bailing wire and duct tape if need be and NOT separate us into classes, skin colors, nationalities, unions, and castes. Mr. Christie fits this requirement to a T.

In the general election. Not in the primary.

jhay78

Ty Webb;916007 wrote:Five things Conservative voters will hate about Chris Christie

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/chris_christie_flaws.html

Shoot, Ty, you beat me to it.

bigdaddy2003

Can anyone see why Ann Coulter is so big on the guy? Before I knew anything about his policies and she said she wanted him to run I assumed he was a big time conservative but now I'm shocked she really likes him. I have only found one social issue that I agree with him on so far (abortion).

BGFalcons82

jhay78;916114 wrote:Count me as a non-Christie fan. Does he have solid fiscal positions? Yes. Does he do a great job taking on the NJ teacher's unions? Yes. Do two issues out of 20 (or so) make you automatically a great conservative? No.

On top of all that, Christie has proven himself to be one arrogant governor. At first, I got a kick out of his antics when they were directed at New Jersey's teachers unions, then I realized that he operates this way far too frequently. It's one thing to be firm, bold, and not take crap from the media and leftist opponents; it's another to turn every speech and press conference into a YouTube audition and sling arrogance and rudeness every which direction. The recent hurricane was a perfect example: "Get the hell off the beach. You've worked on your suntan long enough" or something to that effect. Not very professional or statesmanlike if you ask me.

I understand and would likely agree in other times.

If we don't get our spending under control, there won't be another time. It is highly likely the next POTUS will preside over the dollar being replaced as the world's currency unless we can get a handle on our debt. At that point, printing money and QE3, QE4, QE-infinity won't work. Ever heard of Zimbabwe?

Whom else among the 9 left standing would cut spending?
Johnson, Bachmann and Paul would, but they're not going to win the nomination.
Romney? No way, he's got too much liberal blood pumping through his veins and RINO's don't cut spending. Ditto for Huntsman.
Perry? Maybe, but he seems like he could be influenced by cronies...ugh, another one.
Cain? Maybe, but he's never been in government (a good thing), so he could be coerced by the entrenched elites.
Newt? Doubt it unless he hires Kasich to do it for him.

Santorum is a RINO when it comes to spending.

To me, cutting spending and ignoring the pleas from affected constituencies (like the Dept of Edumacation/NEA & Dept of Energy) are paramount to survival over Muslims being placed in judicial posts. FWIW, the "get off the beach" comments were spot-on as many people think it's "fun" to ride out hurricanes...until they change their mind too late. It was brass words for a situation that needed it.

bigdaddy2003

I understand that I'm not going to agree 100 percent with any candidate but like I said I only agree with Christie on one social issue so far. I will stick with Herman Cain.

gut

BGFalcons82;916153 wrote: If we don't get our spending under control, there won't be another time. It is highly likely the next POTUS will preside over the dollar being replaced as the world's currency unless we can get a handle on our debt.

Possibly. Some day. I doubt in 4 years. People have been predicting the Euro would replace, or at least share, status as the global reserve currency. We can now officially throw dirt on the belief. The Yen? Never in the running, really.

The Chinese Renminbi? That's all the rage now, but reality is we're a good ways away from that happening. China is still manipulating its currency rather severely, and they have banking and financial issues that just aren't going to allow it to be a global reserve currency any time soon. In terms of a financial market, China is still pretty much a 3rd world country and it's really not going to become a reserve currency any time soon. It's banking and financial system is basically a black box where even China doesn't really know what it has.

Most likely candidate is a basket of currencies. Been some talk about this for some time, but doesn't seem to have any real momentum. For all the doom and gloom over the demise of the dollar, the govt is still able to borrow money at ridiculously low rates. China and Japan, for all their saber rattling, still have a very symbiotic relationship with the US consumer - it's the global equivalent of supplier financing. So what if they get 97 cents on the dollar or whatever? Net net they're coming out way ahead.

And all this talk about the US not making anything. Well, a lot of the companies in China and elsewhere shipping products to the US are actually owned by US corporations, which is partly why investment capital continues to flow to US markets, so it's a bit problematic and misleading to only look at the Balance of Trade.

What you are seeing in the US right now is a classic debt overhang issue. The US economy is not that unhealthy, we just need to get control of the deficit and debt.

QuakerOats

Ty Webb;916002 wrote:You all realize Christie was never involved in politics other than being a county free holder (whatever the hell that is) before running for Gov of New Jersey right?

He was a US attorney before running......how is he more experienced than President Obama? Please please explain that to me

He was also a lobbiyist before becoming a US attorney

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups

jmog

Ty Webb;916002 wrote:You all realize Christie was never involved in politics other than being a county free holder (whatever the hell that is) before running for Gov of New Jersey right?

He was a US attorney before running......how is he more experienced than President Obama? Please please explain that to me

He was also a lobbiyist before becoming a US attorney

Did you ever look at Obama's experience going into the last election or did you just blindly vote for ghe "D"?

jmog

Ty Webb;916007 wrote:Five things Conservative voters will hate about Chris Christie

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/chris_christie_flaws.html

Oh no we wont agree with everything Christie says? Say it isn't so!

Al Bundy

Ty Webb;916002 wrote:You all realize Christie was never involved in politics other than being a county free holder (whatever the hell that is) before running for Gov of New Jersey right?

He was a US attorney before running......how is he more experienced than President Obama? Please please explain that to me

He was also a lobbiyist before becoming a US attorney

I am not a fan of Christie or Obama. I have about as much knowledge of what a county free holder does that I do about what a community organizer does. I am registered dem, but my voting would probably look more like that as as independent. People attack both of these individuals because of their lack of political experience. I don't particularly care for either of these two, but I don't think that we need a lifelong politician. We need someone who has demonstrated that he/she has leadership ability.

Ty Webb

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/64959.html

Three sources close to Christie say it's likelier the not that he stays out of the 2012 race

believer

Al Bundy;917320 wrote:... but I don't think that we need a lifelong politician. We need someone who has demonstrated that he/she has leadership ability.

Got anyone in mind?

Belly35

believer;920393 wrote:Got anyone in mind?

Belly !

stlouiedipalma

Nah, it's gonna be Perry. He's got the ear of the Christian Right and the Teabaggers. They will blindly nominate and elect this man. When it happens, buy all the shares of McDonald's you can. Perry is an absolute magician when it comes to creating minimum wage jobs.

I can just see Belly at the counter now. "Would you like fries with that?".

Con_Alma

If they are listening to him, ie. he has their ear, they wouldn't be blindly nominating and electing him.

Belly35

stlouiedipalma;920528 wrote:Nah, it's gonna be Perry. He's got the ear of the Christian Right and the Teabaggers. They will blindly nominate and elect this man. When it happens, buy all the shares of McDonald's you can. Perry is an absolute magician when it comes to creating minimum wage jobs.

I can just see Belly at the counter now. "Would you like fries with that?".

I don't visit fast food much but I do like fries.... So if you're asking stlouiedipalma

Yes I will have fries

QuakerOats

Belly35;920539 wrote:I don't visit fast food much but I do like fries.... So if you're asking stlouiedipalma Yes I will have fries

If he has his (and obama's) way you will have to pay a 'fat tax' on those fries .... just like Denmark just initiated. The regime shall rule every facet of your life.

Ty Webb

Perry is sinking fast....he polled fourth in a new poll in Florida

Christie source-"It's going to take a very compelling reason for him to run"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/03/usa-campaign-christie-idUSN1E79214G20111003

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