Republican candidates for 2012

• Con_Alma

  I Wear Pants;1098785 wrote:Except they don't, us being over there endangers Americans.
  
  Also, if you disagree with that what you're saying is that you believe that had we not gone to war with Iraq there would have been more than 4500 dead Americans and 32000 wounded ones because of it. I find that incredibly unlikely.

  Not just Iraq but rather the policy as a whole. Having engaged in many military action stops addiyional American lives from being lost. It's the cumulative not just one miltary action that makes the difference.
• Con_Alma

  I Wear Pants;1098786 wrote:You're delusional.

  If you don't think that the willingness and actual engagement of military activity doesn't change the way we function diplomatically or change the willingness of others to test our fortitude it mightbe you that is delusional.
• pmoney25

  

  There is a 0% chance of any sort of invasion on American soil. Like someone mentioned earlier our naval and Air force are light years ahead of the rest of the world.
  
  Basically what I am hearing is that it is necessary to sacrifice american lives to flex a little military might? Like Dr Paul mentioned the neocon foreign policy loses on moral, constitutional and economic grounds.
  
  History has repeatedly shown us that countries that practice military adventurism always fall from grace and its because they cant continue to fund the wars anymore
• BGFalcons82

  

  pmoney25;1098814 wrote:There is a 0% chance of any sort of invasion on American soil. Like someone mentioned earlier our naval and Air force are light years ahead of the rest of the world.

  We are invaded each and every day across what used to be called our Southern border. I posted it before that captures are down to about 350,000 per year, or about 1000 per day. How many make it?
  
  Dr. Ronderful does not believe in fences, as they'd be used to "keep Americans in and not let them out." - http://nation.foxnews.com/ron-paul/2011/09/07/ron-paul-border-fence-will-be-used-keep-us So if you like the idea of no borders, no sovereignty, and an abandonement of one of the few Constitutional duties then Ron 'O-fer' Paul is your guy. Kind of shocking to learn that the "only candidate that will defend the Constitution" really won't do it. Not so much different from Barry, eh?
• IggyPride00

  

  Willard is truly the gift that keeps on giving.
  
  His campaign is screaming bloody murder right now about how Santorum is using dirty tricks in Michigan to have Democrats vote in the primary against Willard.
  
  Politico has posted the following Willard quote about his voting habits, such as voting for Democrat Paul Tsongas in 1992:
  

  "When there was no real contest in the Republican primary, I’d vote in the Democrat primary, vote for the person who I thought would be the weakest opponent for the Republican."

  Like another Massachusettes liberal before him, sounds like he was for it before he was against it now that it is biting him in the ass potentially.
• QuakerOats

  I Wear Pants;1097933 wrote:Yes it has. It's been defense spending along with all the other ****. Acting like our massive defense spending doesn't add to the deficit is being purposefully ignorant.
  
  That doesn't mean it's the only thing that adds to the deficit, but it definitely does.

  We did not dramatically increase our defense spending. obama's trillion dollar deficits are the result of unprecedented, unwarranted, and nearly immeasurable increases in domestic spending --- mainly to buy his re-election. GET IN THE GAME.
  
  About the only thing the federal government should be involved with is national defense; and given that they only spend 24% of the budget on defense, there is hardly an argument that it should cut defense spending. Try focusing on the other 76% of the budget and fix that disaster first!
• jhay78

  

  IggyPride00;1098863 wrote:Willard is truly the gift that keeps on giving.
  
  His campaign is screaming bloody murder right now about how Santorum is using dirty tricks in Michigan to have Democrats vote in the primary against Willard.
  
  Politico has posted the following Willard quote about his voting habits, such as voting for Democrat Paul Tsongas in 1992:
  
  
  
  Like another Massachusettes liberal before him, sounds like he was for it before he was against it now that it is biting him in the ass potentially.

  I can't stand open primaries, I don't think they're a good idea for deciding the Republican nominee, but that said, Willard knew the rules in Michigan the same as everyone else.
  
  Here's the video of him whining:
  
  http://www.therightscoop.com/romney-whining-about-santorum-robocalls-to-dems/
• pmoney25

  

  BGFalcons82;1098826 wrote:We are invaded each and every day across what used to be called our Southern border. I posted it before that captures are down to about 350,000 per year, or about 1000 per day. How many make it?
  
  Dr. Ronderful does not believe in fences, as they'd be used to "keep Americans in and not let them out." - http://nation.foxnews.com/ron-paul/2011/09/07/ron-paul-border-fence-will-be-used-keep-us So if you like the idea of no borders, no sovereignty, and an abandonement of one of the few Constitutional duties then Ron 'O-fer' Paul is your guy. Kind of shocking to learn that the "only candidate that will defend the Constitution" really won't do it. Not so much different from Barry, eh?

  Wow you are really reaching. Maybe if we cared more about our border than Afghanistans, we could use resources here.
  
  I am sorry that freedom , a sound economy and the constitution are not good enough for you. Vote for Rick or Mitt or Obama , doesnt make a difference. But im sure the repeal of obamacare will save the country. Thats the best you will get from the other guys.
• Con_Alma

  It's not about repealing Obamacare to save the country as much as it is people crying about the expenditures put towards the primary need and role of the Feds ie. protecting the citizens, while enormous debt is being taken on for social programs.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  pmoney25;1099144 wrote:Wow you are really reaching. Maybe if we cared more about our border than Afghanistans, we could use resources here.
  
  I am sorry that freedom , a sound economy and the constitution are not good enough for you. Vote for Rick or Mitt or Obama , doesnt make a difference. But im sure the repeal of obamacare will save the country. Thats the best you will get from the other guys.

  You are wasting your time. He believes what Mark Levin tells him to believe. Obama is evil. Slaughter all Muslims, and deficits don't matter as long as they work toward that end.
• pmoney25

  

  Con_Alma;1099223 wrote:It's not about repealing Obamacare to save the country as much as it is people crying about the expenditures put towards the primary need and role of the Feds ie. protecting the citizens, while enormous debt is being taken on for social programs.

  I am complaining about ALL wasteful spending. Your idea that it is necessary to be in wars so others will leave us alone is crazy. The role of the military is to protect our national security and defend the constitution, not to run around the world policing the world. And if our security is threatened we follow the constitution and declare war, win and get home asap. That is all Dr paul is saying, he will not just sit around and let americans be killed or for us to be invaded by muslims.
• Con_Alma

  pmoney25;1099282 wrote:I am complaining about ALL wasteful spending. Your idea that it is necessary to be in wars so others will leave us alone is crazy...

  I have never stated it was necessary. I have stated it is an approach and ideology that I support because of it's effectiveness. I am not speaking against Dr. Paul as much as for this approach although I believe his approach is what will keep him from being nominated.
  
  I have not advocated "policing the world' in any post. I have stated my support of preemptive attacks when it thwarts potential safety of US Citizens. IN so doing it also lends to credibility of threatening such when diplomacy is being pursued.
• IggyPride00

  

  I have this sick feeling Willard is going to pull it out in Michigan by the skin of his teeth. Seems all his cash has bought him a hell of a ground operation in Michigan, which should put him over the top tonight.
• majorspark

  

  IggyPride00;1098863 wrote:Willard is truly the gift that keeps on giving.
  
  His campaign is screaming bloody murder right now about how Santorum is using dirty tricks in Michigan to have Democrats vote in the primary against Willard.

  Willard is running an ad attacking Santorum's "courage" for not standing up on his principles and making political deals instead. That Willard sure is a funny guy. Anyone who critisizes a decision he made as governor, or statements he made while running for office in Massachusettes, as leaning left or liberal needs to understand. Willard had a democrat legislature to deal with. And while running for Senate you know you just have to say some things that are against your priciples in liberal Massachusettes.
• BGFalcons82

  

  Cleveland Buck;1099229 wrote:You are wasting your time. He believes what Mark Levin tells him to believe. Obama is evil. Slaughter all Muslims, and deficits don't matter as long as they work toward that end.

  We agree on many more issues than we disagree. I find it unfortunate that you choose to shove words in my mouth, but so be it. This whole Ron Is God phenomenon is growing extremely similar to the Obama-girl lust-fest in 2008. I just hope it isn't permanent.
  
  I had most of my views before Mark Levin ever got his first radio gig. Maybe he's believing what people like me tell him to believe, eh? I know you hate him because he hates Dr. Ron. Childish methinks, but whatever.
  
  Obama isn't an evil person, but he has a completely different view of America than I do. I believe his view will ruin what America was founded to be over 230 years ago. I'll fight whenever and wherever I can to make sure he doesn't ruin a country that millions have died to protect. He doesn't see it that way, I'm certain.
  
  As long as radical muslims are sheltered, protected, idolized by their peers, and glorified by their followers, we will forever be within their suicide bomber sights. It's up to the peace-loving muslims to rid the world of those that are defaming their religion. Since they've had centuries to do just this, I don't think they'll pull it off anytime soon. The world will be terrorized by them no matter how many bombs, nukes, drones, and 18 year-old blood is shed to "slaughter" them. Imagine a world with no terrorists....can you? I know I know...if Ron was king, we'd all hug and sing kumbaya all night long.
  
  You and I are in total agreement that unsustainable debt and out-of-control deficits are the cancer that will doom what was once America. Why you feel the need to say I don't believe they don't matter is a flat out lie. I think you say such because I won't support a man that has zero leadership skills. Whatever. The Ronulan Koolaid is strong, I just hope it isn't addictive beyond August, 2012, or we'll all suffer the incurable hangover.
  
  Finally, regarding the current "crop" of Republican candidates: I don't care for any of them. I'd much prefer Chris Christie, Mitch Daniels, or even Tim Pawlenty....but they are NOT running. I like about 25% of what each one of the final four represent and it's a shame there isn't one that embraces more of what I believe we need. Most of all, we've had a complete void of leadership these past 3+ years. Obama's OJT is killing this country and he is the worst leader we've ever had...surpassing the pathetic Jimmy 'Peanut Farmer' Carter. Why in the hell do we need another POTUS with equally pathetic leadership skills in Ron Paul? This country needs someone to take the ship, take advice/counsel, make decisions, and steer us to the future. THAT candidate isn't on the docket on either side. I'll go with Believer and pray that the R candidate is left standing when the nation rejects Barack Hussein Obama on November 6, 2012. I may not like whom it is, but he'll be a 100% improvement over Barry.
• dtdtim

  A question for those more knowledgeable in campaign finance than I:
  
  How much do you all think Romney's spending during the primary season could affect a general election campaign, should he win the nomination? I was just looking at some of the ads he (and Santorum) ran in Michigan online and thought about this.
• believer

  

  BGFalcons82;1099722 wrote:This whole Ron Is God phenomenon is growing extremely similar to the Obama-girl lust-fest in 2008.

  Shazzam! lol
• IggyPride00

  

  dtdtim;1099727 wrote:A question for those more knowledgeable in campaign finance than I:
  
  How much do you all think Romney's spending during the primary season could affect a general election campaign, should he win the nomination? I was just looking at some of the ads he (and Santorum) ran in Michigan online and thought about this.

  Romney is going to be hurting at some point because he spent so massively up front going for a knock out blow that he doesn't have a ton of cash on hand right now.
  
  On the other hand his Super Pac can continue to have big donors right multi-million dollar checks so he is going to be fine.
  
  He did actually send a warning letter out to his donors this week saying basically this isn't going to be over until May, so be prepared to keep getting your wallets out.
• I Wear Pants

  QuakerOats;1098905 wrote:We did not dramatically increase our defense spending. obama's trillion dollar deficits are the result of unprecedented, unwarranted, and nearly immeasurable increases in domestic spending --- mainly to buy his re-election. GET IN THE GAME.
  
  About the only thing the federal government should be involved with is national defense; and given that they only spend 24% of the budget on defense, there is hardly an argument that it should cut defense spending. Try focusing on the other 76% of the budget and fix that disaster first!

  This is a lie.
  
• I Wear Pants

  
• dwccrew

  

  Did anyone hear the soundbite of Santorum stating that democrats should not be voting in primaries (this was during the Minnesota primary), yet he is robo-calling democrats in Michigan. Just another rhetoric speaking, flip-flopping canidate. If this field is the best the repubs can put up against Obama come November, you'll be hearing "4 more years" the day after the election. These guys (outside of Dr. Paul) are pathetic. I am a Ron Paul supporter, but I know that the masses will not nominate him, therefore it is down to Romney and Santorum. Either of those two will lose by a wide margin in a presidential election IMO.
• BGFalcons82

  

  I Wear Pants;1099799 wrote:This is a lie.
  

  I've seen charts like this and language similar to it in other threads. I take exception to the 2nd largest item, represented by the yellow color, "Interest on debt, defense-related". What is this? Is the U.S. government selling specific war-bonds, like they did during the Big One? I am unaware if they are. To me, debt IS debt. The fact that the chart above and other use of "Defense-related debt" obfuscate the issue.
  
  Is there "Social Security debt" sold and tracked?
  "Stimulus debt" sold and tracked?
  Is there "Cowboy Poetry debt" sold?
• IggyPride00

  

  Is there "Social Security debt" sold and tracked?

  S.S ran a hundreds of billions of dollar a year surplus up until last year. It actually made the deficit numbers smaller over the past 25 years because the surplus was always calculated in, even though it was supposed to be used on benefits when the boomers retired. Amazingly :rolleyes: , government managed to spend it instead of saving it.
• BGFalcons82

  

  believer;1099762 wrote:Shazzam! lol

  Holy shit, Batman!! I just saw the great and powerful Ron has secured a robust 15% of the Michigan vote and is coming in THIRD!! Where's Gordon Gee to declare him the winner???
• majorspark

  

  I Wear Pants;1099811 wrote:

  
  ^^^This. Is as ignorant as....
  
  This.
  
  
  
  
  
  Enjoy your paranoia.