Republican candidates for 2012

• Skyhook79

  

  WebFire;1079532 wrote:Amen. I am so tired of hearing "Don't support the guy you truly believe in because he won't win. Instead vote for someone else you'd rather not have." I understand the premise, but it's sad. And I will support the guy I BELIEVE in. Period.

  What do you do when the guy you believe in isn't on the Ballot in the General Election?
• sleeper

  

  I Wear Pants;1079632 wrote:Guys, sjmvklsjrioejwfioej3928re9w isn't a liberal, he's been on here touting how much he likes Romney if I remember correctly.
  
  Even if he were a liberal he's right that you have to be stupid to think Santorum is a good candidate.

  Romney is a RINO. SJ is definitely a liberal.
• bases_loaded

  

  Cleveland Buck;1079471 wrote:That is what's important. Backing a guy that wins just so we can say we were on the Santorum team. Never mind the guy who has the ideas the country needs. Are you a child? This isn't a football team. I don't give a **** about the Republican party. I care about the fiscal solvency of this country and the value of the money I earn.

  Whats more important...voting for Obama(by voting for him or 3rd party) or voting against Obama(voting for the repub candidate)?
• sleeper

  

  Skyhook79;1079637 wrote:What do you do when the guy you believe in isn't on the Ballot in the General Election?

  You write him in. Like I will for Ron Paul.
• stlouiedipalma

  The "liberal" media is probably sprouting some serious wood this morning. It's been my belief that they have worked overtime to see any of the ultra-conservative candidates do well against Romney. Let's face it, Mitt is the only serious threat to an Obama re-election and, if they can promote "anyone but Mitt" they see it as a solid plus for Obama this fall.
• bases_loaded

  

  I Wear Pants;1079632 wrote:
  you have to be stupid to think Santorum is a good candidate.

  I guess Im stupid. I watch him in debates, I hear him on talk radio, and I like him. Until he is vetted to the point that something comes out I don't like, I'll continue to support him.
• I Wear Pants

  bases_loaded;1079650 wrote:I guess Im stupid. I watch him in debates, I hear him on talk radio, and I like him. Until he is vetted to the point that something comes out I don't like, I'll continue to support him.

  You must really hate gay people and Muslims then.
• majorspark

  

  I Wear Pants;1079657 wrote:You must really hate gay people and Muslims then.

  If you vote for Paul you must not be patriotic and hate America.
• bases_loaded

  

  I hate radical islamists...its because of them we can't masturbate on airplanes.
  I don't have a problem with gays, nor does Rick(he was asked point blank about having a gay child and didn't hesitate in his response at a debate).
  
  People must hate Muslims and Gays more than they like Obama
  
  
  http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/versus-obama-santorum-fares-8-points-better-romney_621026.html
• stlouiedipalma

  If the GOP thinks it has a fighting chance this fall with a social conservative platform they are doomed.
  
  To paraphrase Bill Clinton, "It's the economy, stupid.". There are signs that the economy is turning upward, so those on the right need to drag out the bedroom police once more.
• Con_Alma

  stlouiedipalma;1079667 wrote:If the GOP thinks it has a fighting chance this fall with a social conservative platform they are doomed.
  
  ....

  It is not the Party who is endorsing Mr. Santorum by any means.
• stlouiedipalma

  Con_Alma;1079668 wrote:It is not the Party who is endorsing Mr. Santorum by any means.

  
  So if Rick wins the nomination does that mean the RNC doesn't back him?
• I Wear Pants

  majorspark;1079664 wrote:If you vote for Paul you must not be patriotic and hate America.

  Except the things I said were based on logical interpretations of things Frothy has said. The Muslim one was perhaps a stretch but he does hang around with the type of people who see Islam, and not just the small amount of radicals, but the whole of Islam as a threat.
  
  People who think that about Paul probably can't read.
  
  As for bases_loaded's comment that he doesn't have a problem with gays. Bullshit, he compared being gay to polygamy and bestiality.
• Con_Alma

  stlouiedipalma;1079671 wrote:So if Rick wins the nomination does that mean the RNC doesn't back him?

  No it does not mean that at all.
• majorspark

  

  I Wear Pants;1079672 wrote:Except the things I said were based on logical interpretations of things Frothy has said. The Muslim one was perhaps a stretch but he does hang around with the type of people who see Islam, and not just the small amount of radicals, but the whole of Islam as a threat.

  Your logical interpretation is that people voting for Santorum hate gays and mooslims. Profound.
• I Wear Pants

  majorspark;1079690 wrote:Your logical interpretation is that people voting for Santorum hate gays and mooslims. Profound.

  Santorum supports policies that do nothing but harm homosexuals and benefit no one. It's been a big part of his campaigning as well.
  
  He also wants women who were raped to appreciate the miracle that is the potential child from that event.
• I Wear Pants

  "They have this idea that people should be left alone, [...] government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom [...] This idea that people should be able to go and do whatever they want and it doesn't really matter as long as it doesn't hurt anybody, that's not our founders' view of freedom." ~Rick Santorum
  
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  "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." ~Thomas Jefferson
• Con_Alma

  I Wear Pants;1079719 wrote:"They have this idea that people should be left alone, [...] government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom [...] This idea that people should be able to go and do whatever they want and it doesn't really matter as long as it doesn't hurt anybody, that's not our founders' view of freedom." ~Rick Santorum
  
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  "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." ~Thomas Jefferson

  Although Mr. Santorum is incorrect if he was only including Jefferson, I agree with him in that we can't just go and do want we want as long as it doesn't hurt others.
• pmoney25

  

  I refuse to concede my values to vote for a guy just because he is not Obama. I am sorry that I value my beliefs and convictions more than that.
  
  I will not be part of the problem. I am a realistic guy and understand that Paul probably wont win. However I do believe the libertarian movement will grow and Ron Paul is just the beginning. I will write in Paul or vote for Johnson.
  
  I could give two craps about the Republican or democrat party. My vote belongs to me and I will not vote for someone I disagree with on so many issues.
• I Wear Pants

  Con_Alma;1079734 wrote:Although Mr. Santorum is incorrect if he was only including Jefferson, I agree with him in that we can't just go and do want we want as long as it doesn't hurt others.

  Why is that?
  
  If it doesn't hurt anyone why do you or the government have a right to tell someone what to do?
• Cleveland Buck

  

  bases_loaded;1079643 wrote:Whats more important...voting for Obama(by voting for him or 3rd party) or voting against Obama(voting for the repub candidate)?

  Neither if the choices aren't different enough. What difference does it make if Obama stays in there or if Romney gets in there and does the same things or Santorum gets in and does the same things except he invades a few more countries and posts a police officer outside of every bedroom door in the country?
• Cleveland Buck

  

  majorspark;1079664 wrote:If you vote for Paul you must not be patriotic and hate America.

  Why? Has Paul offered to invade and occupy and bomb America?
• Cleveland Buck

  

  Skyhook79;1079637 wrote:What do you do when the guy you believe in isn't on the Ballot in the General Election?

  Write him in? Or not vote?
• dtdtim

  Con_Alma;1079734 wrote:Although Mr. Santorum is incorrect if he was only including Jefferson, I agree with him in that we can't just go and do want we want as long as it doesn't hurt others.

  I don't really have an opinion on Santorum one way or the other at the moment because I haven't researched him enough. To be honest, I never seriously thought he was going to contend for the nomination even after it was close in Iowa. That being said, I'm intrigued by the last part of your response to I Wear Pants. Could you give an example of what you mean to elaborate on your agreement with Santorum? I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from...what do you think Santorum really means with that quote?
• Cleveland Buck

  

  dtdtim;1079757 wrote:I don't really have an opinion on Santorum one way or the other at the moment because I haven't researched him enough. To be honest, I never seriously thought he was going to contend for the nomination even after it was close in Iowa. That being said, I'm intrigued by the last part of your response to I Wear Pants. Could you give an example of what you mean to elaborate on your agreement with Santorum? I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from...what do you think Santorum really means with that quote?

  What Santorum means is that the federal government should impose values on the people and police their behavior in hopes of changing their morality. It doesn't work and it is not at all legal in this country (yes the Constitution is the law).