Paul Ryan's budget proposal
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I'm talking about politics in general. We will never get anywhere until we do away with the party system.jhay78;746121 wrote:Disagree. Ryan's plan carries far more political risk it today's climate. It's waaay easier to promise free this, free that, unlimited entitlements, handouts for the poor and (insert victimized class here), and then to demagogue and whine when someone says "Umm, we can't sustain this for too much longer", than it is to basically say, "There's no such thing as a free lunch".
And Ryan was the first to come up with a real "plan"; Obama's speech was a reaction, and then everyone else did their posturing. -
KnightRyder
actually GWB ran several like thatgut;744080 wrote:I'd like to see someone ask a very simple question:
"You talk about not cutting benefits and instead want to focus on bringing down costs. Why can't you cut benefits and then focus on bringing down costs so that the negative impact is reduced or eliminated? " That way we don't get, you know, screwed if you don't do what you say you're going to do.
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CEO: "Frank, your operation is losing $1M this year. We need you to cut spending"
Frank: "Well, actually I have a plan to reduce those costs in future years"
CEO: "So we'll be spending less in future years?"
Frank: "No, actually we'll still spend more, but our revenues will start growing faster"
CEO: "But we're still going to lose $1M THIS year"
Frank: "Actually, we'll lose $2M, but we'll save $5M over the next 10 years"
CEO: "So, over the next 10 years we'll net a $3M profit?"
Frank: "I project we'll lose $7M, but that's only -$0.7M per year which is way better than -$2M this year!"
CEO "#winner"
Who the fuck would run a business like that? -
KnightRyderjhay78;746121 wrote:Disagree. Ryan's plan carries far more political risk it today's climate. It's waaay easier to promise free this, free that, unlimited entitlements, handouts for the poor and (insert victimized class here), and then to demagogue and whine when someone says "Umm, we can't sustain this for too much longer", than it is to basically say, "There's no such thing as a free lunch".
And Ryan was the first to come up with a real "plan"; Obama's speech was a reaction, and then everyone else did their posturing.
his plan is a joke. once again lowering taxes for the wealthy . his health care plan is basically cost shifting to seniors a plan that cost 60 percent more than medicare. and once again defense isnt touched. the numbers dont add up -
WriterbuckeyeJoke or not, it's light years better and ahead of anything the party in power has come up with.
Hell, the Dems couldn't even come up with a budget when they had all three seats of power.
Now there's leadership. -
believer
True. Dems have meltdowns over common-sense financial concepts like balancing income to outgo. They couldn't even agree amongst themselves on which deficit spending plan they wanted to implement. Budget? LMAOWriterbuckeye;746316 wrote:Joke or not, it's light years better and ahead of anything the party in power has come up with.
Hell, the Dems couldn't even come up with a budget when they had all three seats of power. -
fish82
The numbers add up just fine. Just because his methods piss you off doesn't mean it doesn't solve the problem.KnightRyder;746198 wrote:his plan is a joke. once again lowering taxes for the wealthy . his health care plan is basically cost shifting to seniors a plan that cost 60 percent more than medicare. and once again defense isnt touched. the numbers dont add up
Can I make a suggestion? I submit that every time someone regurgitates the words "taxes" and "wealthy" in the same sentence that everyone drinks. -
CenterBHSFan
Make mine mohito's!fish82;746858 wrote:Can I make a suggestion? I submit that every time someone regurgitates the words "taxes" and "wealthy" in the same sentence that everyone drinks. -
QuakerOatsobama was addressing a group the other day and his exact words were: "we cannot spend more than we take in ...." I darn near wrecked the car when I heard that.
Here is the ALL-TIME BIGGEST DEFICIT SPENDER AND DEBT CREATOR IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD actually expecting THE PEOPLE to believe his (new) lies. That points once again straight to his massive arrogance. What a complete sham this man is.
Change we can believe in ........... -
Thread BomberBoy, it sure would be nice to have that trillion we spent in Iraq back...
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-cost-of-the-iraq-war-escalated-by-20-times/ -
BGFalcons82Thread Bomber;747122 wrote:Boy, it sure would be nice to have that trillion we spent in Iraq back...
I believe that ^^^^ is what Trump is saying by his desire to acquire some Iraqi oil fields. -
ptown_trojans_1BGFalcons82;747141 wrote: I believe that ^^^^ is what Trump is saying by his desire to acquire some Iraqi oil fields.
The U.S. cannot and should not take Iraq oil fields. It would destroy the fragile peace there. Iraq can help the U.S. by offering more and more oil to the market, and continuing to grow as a country, but saying the U.S. should take over the fields invites 2004-2006 all over again. -
believer
I agree. Let's tell American environmental extremists to kiss our collective asses and then tap into every available domestic energy source. We need to ween ourselves off our reliance on politically unstable Middle Eastern energy "partnerships."ptown_trojans_1;747241 wrote:The U.S. cannot and should not take Iraq oil fields.
Want to stop terrorism? Shut off their money supply.
I'd much rather pay $6 a gallon to those eeeeevil, greedy environmentally unfriendly American oil producers than fund Islamofascism. -
jhay78QuakerOats;747025 wrote:obama was addressing a group the other day and his exact words were: "we cannot spend more than we take in ...." I darn near wrecked the car when I heard that.
Here is the ALL-TIME BIGGEST DEFICIT SPENDER AND DEBT CREATOR IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD actually expecting THE PEOPLE to believe his (new) lies. That points once again straight to his massive arrogance. What a complete sham this man is.
Change we can believe in ...........
Never safe to drive while listening to Obama speak. He laid out another doozy about rich people the other day:
Dude makes it like there was a giant lock-box filled with cash in every community that people tapped into, suddenly making them rich. He acts like wealth is public property. That quote tells you all you need to know about the Class-Warfarist-in-Chief."Their basic view is that no matter how successful I am, no matter how much I've taken from this country... I now have no obligation to people who are less fortunate than me, and I have no real obligation to future generations to make investments so they have a better future."
http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/04/20/obama-launches-sickening-class-war-assault-against-republicans -
dont_belongjhay78;747686 wrote:He acts like wealth is public property. That quote tells you all you need to know about the Class-Warfarist-in-Chief.
http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/04/20/obama-launches-sickening-class-war-assault-against-republicans
Sadly enough, that is what alot of liberals believe...wealth is public property to be spread evenly amongst the citizenry. -
KnightRyder
when it comes to health care the dems do have a plan actually they have ,The Affordable Care Act. ever hear of it?it’s built atop a theory that actually makes sense, because it focuses on making medical care cheaper rather than changing who pays for insurance.Writerbuckeye;746316 wrote:Joke or not, it's light years better and ahead of anything the party in power has come up with.
Hell, the Dems couldn't even come up with a budget when they had all three seats of power.
Now there's leadership. -
CenterBHSFan
Where does the money come from in order to make it cheaper?KnightRyder;747795 wrote:when it comes to health care the dems do have a plan actually they have ,The Affordable Care Act. ever hear of it?it’s built atop a theory that actually makes sense, because it focuses on making medical care cheaper rather than changing who pays for insurance. -
KnightRyderCenterBHSFan;748055 wrote:Where does the money come from in order to make it cheaper?
its already cheaper than the plan ryan has. ryans plan is more costly and shifts the bulk of the cost on the seniors. Ryan's plan is cateringtto wealthy Americans, cutting their tax rates from 35 percent to 25 percent; eliminating the estate tax and taxes on capital gains and dividends. The richest 1 percent, who already take in nearly a quarter of American income and control almost 40 percent of all forms of wealth, would see their taxes cut in half. The average tax cut for millionaires would be about $500,000 a year. -
believer
I don't even know where to begin.........I'm amazed there are still people out there who believe this nonsense.KnightRyder;747795 wrote:when it comes to health care the dems do have a plan actually they have ,The Affordable Care Act. ever hear of it?it’s built atop a theory that actually makes sense, because it focuses on making medical care cheaper rather than changing who pays for insurance. -
ptown_trojans_1Interesting story in the Post today about the Ryan budget in his home district:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-conflicted-ryan-constituent-budget-debate-about-more-than-his-own-future/2011/04/22/AFmfOLXE_story.html?hpid=z2
Nothing earth shattering, but shows that even in Ryan's district, the sell is hard. Doesn't make the plan wrong, but it is going to take large amounts of political capital to pass it. -
believer
Here's the thing that keeps being ignored: While Ryan's plan may not be perfect, the fact remains it is at the very least a plan and it's on the table for all to see despite its flaws.ptown_trojans_1;748746 wrote:Nothing earth shattering, but shows that even in Ryan's district, the sell is hard. Doesn't make the plan wrong, but it is going to take large amounts of political capital to pass it.
When the critics have the courage to reveal their own plan, then I cannot fathom why some are so hellbent to condemn and dismiss this one. -
Writerbuckeyebeliever;748749 wrote:Here's the thing that keeps being ignored: While Ryan's plan may not be perfect, the fact remains it is at the very least a plan and it's on the table for all to see despite its flaws.
When the critics have the courage to reveal their own plan, then I cannot fathom why some are so hellbent to condemn and dismiss this one.
This. How about taking this plan (since it's the only real one on the table) and start working together with the goal of reducing spending and the deficit.
Instead, we're getting lots of criticism and no proposals from the other side. Perhaps the Dems would like to be known as the Party of Nothing.
As for claiming ObamaCare saves money -- that old chestnut has long been debunked. Whatever number the CBO came out with is garbage because the numbers they were given to work with were also garbage. -
KnightRyder
is there not a budget plan by the CPC ? or is this the only plan because it came from a republicanWriterbuckeye;748770 wrote:This. How about taking this plan (since it's the only real one on the table) and start working together with the goal of reducing spending and the deficit.
Instead, we're getting lots of criticism and no proposals from the other side. Perhaps the Dems would like to be known as the Party of Nothing.
As for claiming ObamaCare saves money -- that old chestnut has long been debunked. Whatever number the CBO came out with is garbage because the numbers they were given to work with were also garbage. -
WriterbuckeyeKnightRyder;748776 wrote:is there not a budget plan by the CPC ? or is this the only plan because it came from a republican
Good Lord. How about a REAL budget plan since Democrats are the party that controls two of the three stations of power in the government?
Why wasn't there a budget proposal out there ALREADY from when Democrats controlled ALL the power in the government?
The CPC is a sub group of the party that has the power. There should be a more mainstream budget proposal already. The fact that there is not, only shows how incompetent Democrats have been since they came to power with Obama. -
believer
As I recall ramrodding $870 Billion in worthless porkulus, bailing out the UAW, and shoving ObamaKare down our throats were far, far more important to the Dems than being fiscally responsible with taxpayer dollars.Writerbuckeye;748807 wrote:Good Lord. How about a REAL budget plan since Democrats are the party that controls two of the three stations of power in the government?
Why wasn't there a budget proposal out there ALREADY from when Democrats controlled ALL the power in the government?
This past November the American electorate quickly righted that wrong by kicking Queen Nancy down to Minority Misleader.
Now that someone in the Republican-controlled House has dared to lay a bona fide plan on the table, the only thing Dems and their pals in the media can do is slam, criticize, and disparage it rather than admitting the error of their ways....not to mention offering up their own plan.
Then the Dems have the audacity of labeling the GOP as "the party of no."
Friggin amazing. -
KnightRyder
isnt it the largest sub group with 80 plus members. so in order for a plan to work it would have to be more mainstream? is that why we need to settle for the flaw filled nightmare of a plan ryan dreamed up? that show how incompetent are, they will just settle for a bad mainstream plan rather than a good plan that isnt mainstream.Writerbuckeye;748807 wrote:Good Lord. How about a REAL budget plan since Democrats are the party that controls two of the three stations of power in the government?
Why wasn't there a budget proposal out there ALREADY from when Democrats controlled ALL the power in the government?
The CPC is a sub group of the party that has the power. There should be a more mainstream budget proposal already. The fact that there is not, only shows how incompetent Democrats have been since they came to power with Obama.