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Photo ID to vote

  • LJ
    http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/03/24/copy/amid-rancor-voter-id-bill-moves-to-senate.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

    I think this is a great idea. It's a great way to cut way down on voter fraud. A freaking ID card is $8.50. Democrats are calling this "racist" which IMO is racist itself.

    What do you think?
    Under House Bill 159, Ohio would join eight other states in requiring that voters show approved types of photo identification, including a current or expired driver's license, a state-issued identification card, a military identification card or a valid passport. The bill requires that the Bureau of Motor Vehicles make cards available for free for those who cannot afford them.
  • CenterBHSFan
    I'm absolutely all for it!
  • majorspark
    Definitely for it.
  • ts1227
    No problem with this.

    If people are too lazy to go get a free ID (assuminng they can't afford it), they are beyond any reasonable help.
  • Thread Bomber
    I,m all for for an ID, but they should also do away with absentee/early voting.
  • THE4RINGZ
    Makes perfect sense to me.
  • LJ
    The argument against by the dems is nothing more than a smear campaign against republicans.
  • FatHobbit
    Thread Bomber;722650 wrote: but they should also do away with absentee/early voting.

    Why? I love absentee voting.
  • Bigdogg
    LJ;722654 wrote:The argument against by the dems is nothing more than a smear campaign against republicans.
    I don't have a problem with some form of ID for newly registered voters. I do have a problem with the legislation requiring everyone have a state issued ID every time you vote. It is way over the top and not needed. As far as calling it raciest I agree it's not, but it is discriminatory.

    HB 159 by the numbers:

    * 887,000 voting-age Ohioans likely do not have Government-issued photo ID
    * 25% of African Americans nationwide do not have government-issued photo ID
    * 18% of voters over age 65 nationwide do not have government-issued photo ID
    * 15% of voters with income lower than $35,000/year don’t have government- issued photo ID
    * $23 Price of a driver’s license
    * $21.50 Price of a birth certificate
    * $8.50 Price of a state ID
    * $10 million Cost to Indiana provide free ID’s to voters
    * 0 evidence of voter impersonation fraud
  • LJ
    Bigdogg;722675 wrote:I don't have a problem with some form of ID for newly registered voters. I do have a problem with the legislation requiring everyone have a state issued ID every time you vote. It is way over the top and not needed. As far as calling it raciest I agree it's not, but it is discriminatory.

    HB 159 by the numbers:

    * 887,000 voting-age Ohioans likely do not have Government-issued photo ID
    * 25% of African Americans nationwide do not have government-issued photo ID
    * 18% of voters over age 65 nationwide do not have government-issued photo ID
    * 15% of voters with income lower than $35,000/year don’t have government- issued photo ID
    * $23 Price of a driver’s license
    * $21.50 Price of a birth certificate
    * $8.50 Price of a state ID
    * $10 million Cost to Indiana provide free ID’s to voters
    * 0 evidence of voter impersonation fraud

    They offer free IDs to people who can't afford the $8.50. Someone who can't afford $8.50 is likely homeless and has no ID to vote anyways.
  • LJ
    BTW, I knew you would be against this, if for no reason other than it was brough about by the people who currently hold power in the State of Ohio.

    It discriminates against no one btw. If they didn't offer free ones, maybe. But there is no reason to NOT have a state ID.
  • I Wear Pants
    What's required now? I always show my driver's license when I vote.

    I don't really have a problem with a photo ID being required to vote. Although if they're going to do that they might as well just make it free for anyone that doesn't already have one. That way there can be no claims of racism.
  • wkfan
    Bigdogg;722675 wrote:I don't have a problem with some form of ID for newly registered voters. I do have a problem with the legislation requiring everyone have a state issued ID every time you vote. It is way over the top and not needed. As far as calling it raciest I agree it's not, but it is discriminatory.

    HB 159 by the numbers:

    * 887,000 voting-age Ohioans likely do not have Government-issued photo ID
    * 25% of African Americans nationwide do not have government-issued photo ID
    * 18% of voters over age 65 nationwide do not have government-issued photo ID
    * 15% of voters with income lower than $35,000/year don’t have government- issued photo ID
    * $23 Price of a driver’s license
    * $21.50 Price of a birth certificate
    * $8.50 Price of a state ID
    * $10 million Cost to Indiana provide free ID’s to voters
    * 0 evidence of voter impersonation fraud
    I would love to hear your reasoning for why this is discriminatory.

    I am all for this. there is absolutely no reason why a person cannot show an identification to prove that they are who they say that they are. If they do not have a driver's license...they can go to the BMV and get a phot ID. If they cannot afford the $850...it is free.
  • Thread Bomber
    Get your lazy ass to the polls with your photo ID. There is much less a chance for fraud if you vote in person.


    ( Unless you vote on DeBold machines. ) :)


    On the other side, one could make the argument that the poor minority groups ( heavy on the minority) would not go through the extra effort to vote, therefore you would effectivly Jim Crowe their asses. Not a good argument, but it's out there....
  • sleeper
    All for it.
  • dwccrew
    I've always been required show ID when voting and figured it was always required, but perhaps a PHOTO ID wasn't required. I'm in favor of this.
  • LJ
    dwccrew;722722 wrote:I've always been required show ID when voting and figured it was always required, but perhaps a PHOTO ID wasn't required. I'm in favor of this.

    I think it was any state or fed ID or any utility bill.... they just cut the utility bill part out. Pretty sure you will still be able to verify adress with a utility bill, but have to show a photo ID that has a matching name to the utility bill
  • dwccrew
    LJ;722725 wrote:I think it was any state or fed ID or any utility bill.... they just cut the utility bill part out. Pretty sure you will still be able to verify adress with a utility bill, but have to show a photo ID that has a matching name to the utility bill

    That's what I was thinking. I have always just provided driver's license, but I was unsure if you were required to show photo ID or just anything that verified address. I think it is prudent to require people to provide a photo ID with proof of residence to cut down on fraudulent voting.
  • Bigdogg
    dwccrew;722728 wrote:That's what I was thinking. I have always just provided driver's license, but I was unsure if you were required to show photo ID or just anything that verified address. I think it is prudent to require people to provide a photo ID with proof of residence to cut down on fraudulent voting.

    I am sure after this gets rammed through in Columbus it will be as popular as it was at the BMV when they first tried this;) I don't want to hear from any of you clowns when your license is lost/stolen and you can't vote someday.
  • LJ
    Bigdogg;722738 wrote:I am sure after this gets rammed through in Columbus it will be as popular as it was at the BMV when they first tried this;) I don't want to hear from any of you clowns when your license is lost/stolen and you can't vote someday.

    If my license was lost/stolen why would I not go get a new one immediately?

    I also have a passport I could use.
  • Bigdogg
    wkfan;722693 wrote:I am all for this. there is absolutely no reason why a person cannot show an identification to prove that they are who they say that they are. If they do not have a driver's license...they can go to the BMV and get a phot ID. If they cannot afford the $850...it is free.

    Not free. Did you see it cost Indiana 10 million in tax dollars? I thought the Republicans now in power in Columbus want to cut taxes?
  • Bigdogg
    LJ;722739 wrote:If my license was lost/stolen why would I not go get a new one immediately?

    I also have a passport I could use.

    Good for you. What if you lose your license for driving? Why is this needed? Where is the voter fraud? I missed this story. Please show me where the facts are to support this.
  • LJ
    Bigdogg;722740 wrote:Not free. Did you see it cost Indiana 10 million in tax dollars? I thought the Republicans now in power in Columbus want to cut taxes?

    I'm OK with spending that money to ensure that every adult in Ohio has a proper ID. There is no reason to not have one.
  • LJ
    Bigdogg;722744 wrote:Good for you. What if you lose your license for driving? Why is this needed? Where is the voter fraud? I missed this story. Please show me where the facts are to support this.

    Sure, I can post a few to bust the myth that voter fraud is a myth

    http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/04/28/three_voters.html?sid=101

    State ID would have stopped that


    http://www.wlwt.com/politics/18579285/detail.html
    Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters subpoenaed the records of roughly 600 people who voted in the county during a weeklong window during which new voters could register and cast a ballot on the same day.

    A report Tuesday by a special prosecutor appointed to the investigation found that only one voter committed fraud. A Connecticut man in town visiting his sister cast a ballot on Oct. 4 but later told officials what he had done.
    Once again, State ID would stop it

    There are other stories, but the links are old due to the presidential election being 3 years ago many of them don't work.
  • LJ
    Here's a good report on voter impersonation

    http://www.policyarchive.org/handle/10207/bitstreams/13529.pdf