Keystone XL … end of foreign oil dependency

• Tobias Fünke

  

  [video=youtube;ehoVnykvMKY][/video]
  
  It's a good documentary about how GM and Co. destroyed America's fine public transportation network that America will have to replace in the 21st century.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  [video=youtube;N4yb9bRA5vc][/video]
  
  While I choose to ignore the not-so-subtle pro-Democrat section of the video (the first ten seconds), it does a good job of basically saying what Americans refuse to accept: no amount of renewable energy will allow us to continue our ridiculous way of life. We have to get off foreign oil from both alternative energy, domestic oil, and most importantly planning smarter communities (i.e. transit-oriented development).
• Belly35

  

  Oil now topping 99.00 per barrel and Obama does nothing.... Time to Start Drilling Mofo
  Oil will hit with the Middle East situation now 140.00 barrel plus and that my friend means .... Pricing at the pumps over $4.00
  
  Wake up America the long we do nothing the worse the situation gets... estimate 160 years of present usage within the American grasp.
  
  Recession on its way for the next year ….
  
  http://www.morganstanley.com/views/gef/
  
  http://newsystocks.com/news/3904548
  
  http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/rising-oil-prices-could-push-the-us-back-into-recession-and-destroy-any-recovery
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Belly35;688725 wrote:Oil now topping 99.00 per barrel and Obama does nothing.... Time to Start Drilling Mofo
  Oil will hit with the Middle East situation now 140.00 barrel plus and that my friend means .... Pricing at the pumps over $4.00
  
  Wake up America the long we do nothing the worse the situation gets... estimate 160 years of present usage within the American grasp.
  
  Recession on its way for the next year ….
  
  http://www.morganstanley.com/views/gef/
  
  http://newsystocks.com/news/3904548
  
  http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/rising-oil-prices-could-push-the-us-back-into-recession-and-destroy-any-recovery

  1. I'm for the pipeline, I see no reason to be against it.
  2. Even if it was build, I highly doubt it would make a dent into the world oil market, nor would it bring any benefit in the near term. In the long term it would help sure, but nothing soon.
  3. The oil shocks now are a result of Libya and other ME problems.
• Belly35

  

  $5 a gallon
  
  Be sure to read the U.S. Geological Survey page -- the link is at the bottom of this e-mail
  
  
  You "will" pay $5 a gallon + again and you won't complain loud enough to make a difference, RIGHT!
  
  Here's an astonishing read. Important and verifiable information :
  
  About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and one of the Forbes Bros. was the guest. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer; how much oil does the U.S. have in the ground?" Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more than all the Middle East put together." Please read below.
  
  The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota, and extreme eastern Montana ...... check THIS out:
  
  The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay , and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5...3 trillion.
  
  "When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst.
  
  "This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years," reportsThe Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.' It stretches from Northern Montana , through North Dakota and into Canada . For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves..... and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!
  
  That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years straight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - because it's from 2006!
  
  
  U.. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World
  
  
  Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006
  
  
  Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?
  
  
  They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth.. Here are the official estimates:
  
  - 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
  
  - 18-times as much oil as Iraq
  
  
  - 21-times as much oil as Kuwait
  
  - 22-times as much oil as Iran
  
  - 500-times as much oil as Yemen
  
  - and it's all right here in the Western United States .
  
  HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY?
  
  James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post.
  Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find? Think again! It's all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to. Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?
  
  
  Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:
  
  
  Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you should stifle yourself the next time you complain about gas prices - by doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain.
  
  
  Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent this to every one in your address book.
  
  By the way...this is all true. Check it out at the link below!!!
  GOOGLE it, or follow this link. It will blow your mind.
  
  http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
• stlouiedipalma

  Good post, belly.
• QuakerOats

  Belly --- good stuff but for now a lot of western mountain oil is going to be pricey. The great news is that right here in our back yard in the midst of the Marcellus and Utica shale deposits -- perhaps the greatest natural gas find in the history of the planet --- there is also VAST amounts of oil ...... and I mean VAST. Now unless the regime in Washington prevents us from using our own resources (which by the way is one of the tenets of communism) we have a couple centuries worth of energy sitting right underneath us.
  
  So the question is --- will the obama regime do something for the middle class by opening up these vast resources thereby providing milllions of new jobs, and also reducing energy costs; or will they continue down their path of dismantling capitalism by putting off limits to the citizens their own resources?
• Tobias Fünke

  

  It's unbelievable people think we shouldn't be building the necessary infrastructure and freeing ourselves from the Saudis.
  
  However with projections that include cheap oil in the future, it still means adding 100 million new cars to the roads by 2050. It's still completely unsustainable. You cannot keep widening roads in hopes of solving several sever sprawl problems.
• stlouiedipalma

  You say "cheap oil". Believe me, if and when these resources are tapped it won't be cheap.
• believer

  

  stlouiedipalma;698810 wrote:You say "cheap oil". Believe me, if and when these resources are tapped it won't be cheap.

  
  Probably not...but it WILL be home grown. I'd much rather be beholden to domestic oil producers than the unstable anti-western Islamafascists.
• stlouiedipalma

  You've got a good point there, something like "the devil you know"...
  
  I can't imagine what the world would be like without that dependency. I have a sneaky idea we would be telling a lot of folks to "pound sand".
• Belly35

  

  WTF Obama …Hey! Mofo if you would have been drilling sooner your happy ass and my country would not be in this situation.
  
  The only wind energy is the shit blown out your ass Obama, shit or get off the pot Obama ….…
  Now gas is going up and you want to tap into oil reserves that’s saying …. Your agenda is wrong and we need oil now…
  
  http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/03/07/should-the-government-tap-into-oil-reserves-to-manage-gas-prices
  
  
  http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/03/07/should-the-government-tap-into-oil-reserves-to-manage-gas-prices
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Tobias Fünke;698790 wrote:However with projections that include cheap oil in the future, it still means adding 100 million new cars to the roads by 2050. It's still completely unsustainable. You cannot keep widening roads in hopes of solving several sever sprawl problems.

  
  So no one has any idea how we're going to squeeze 100 million new cars onto our roads by 2050?
  
  You all are continuing to ignore the real problem. We've got to shift away from this thought process that America can continue to live out of its car.
  
  
  
  This isn't 1955 anymore. We cannot sustain what we are doing. We will literally sprawl ourselves into defeat.
• Belly35

  

  Read this Community Organizer Obama and get you head out of your ass.
  
  1. Be sure to read the U.S. Geological Survey page -- the link is at the bottom of this e-mail
  
  You "will" pay $5 a gallon + again and you won't complain loud enough to make a difference, RIGHT!
  
  Here's an astonishing read. Important and verifiable information :
  
  About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and one of the Forbes Bros. was the guest. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer; how much oil does the U.S. have in the ground?" Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more than all the Middle East put together." Please read below.
  
  The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota, and extreme eastern Montana ...... check THIS out:
  
  The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay , and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5...3 trillion.
  
  "When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst.
  
  "This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years," reportsThe Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.' It stretches from Northern Montana , through North Dakota and into Canada . For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves..... and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!
  
  That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years straight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - because it's from 2006!
  
  
  U.. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World
  
  
  Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006
  
  
  Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?
  
  
  They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth.. Here are the official estimates:
  
  - 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
  
  - 18-times as much oil as Iraq
  
  
  - 21-times as much oil as Kuwait
  
  - 22-times as much oil as Iran
  
  - 500-times as much oil as Yemen
  
  - and it's all right here in the Western United States .
  
  HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY?
  
  James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post.
  Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find? Think again! It's all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to. Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?
  
  
  Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:
  
  
  Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you should stifle yourself the next time you complain about gas prices - by doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain.
  
  
  Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent this to every one in your address book.
  
  By the way...this is all true. Check it out at the link below!!!
  GOOGLE it, or follow this link. It will blow your mind.
  
  http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
  
  
  An this is your fucking plan Obama…
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/30/obama-energy-security-strategy/
• fan_from_texas

  Lots of stuff on this thread, so I'll only point out a few things: Re mass transit and the gov't staying out of things, had the gov't stayed out of things and not built the interstate highway system or massively subsidized roadbuilding efforts, we'd probably still be taking trains. The US was much more of a mass-transit based society until the feds started intervening.
  
  The problem with "letting the market take care of things" is that you can have such things as market failures, specifically with regard to NIMBY'ism like we see when it comes to building rail lines, power plants, transmission lines, etc. If there were no gov't intervention or eminent domain, none of this would ever get built. When you're building lines that stretch for hundreds of miles, a single recalcitrant landowner can hold up the process and create massive headaches for everyone. That's always going to be a trade-off, and I'm not convinced that the "market always succeeds" people realize the practical realities of forestalling gov't intervention in these sorts of industries.
  
  FWIW, the shale gas finds and oil finds are nice, but they're not likely to solve the long-term issues, and they bring a host of potential environmental issues with them. Obama's energy policy has been fairly reasonable on the whole (support for nuclear, support for offshore drilling, support for renewables).
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Belly35;728950 wrote:Read this Community Organizer Obama and get you head out of your ass.

  
  I'm not sure if you were calling me Obama and trying to be cute, or just being a general asshole.
  
  Once again, I didn't vote for Obama and I won't vote for him in 2012. I do think the administration is trying to artificially raise gas prices to $5.00 a gallon. I also don't agree with it.
  
  The link you posted is ancient news; I remember reading about that in 2008. I do, however, question the quality of the oil (not all oil is created equal) and at what prices that oil becomes economically sensible (i.e. how much you'd have to charge to make a profit on the oil drilling).
  
  Still though, the economics of oil is only a fraction of the equation. Road construction and maintenance costs are gigantic and unsustainable. The idea of adding 100,000,000 new cars to our roads is relatively impossible. The stratification of our society is destructive. Even environmentally it's unsustainable (and I'm not talking about global warming).
  
  So, please, get your own head out of your ass and realize it's not solely about oil.
  

  fan_from_texas;729161 wrote:Lots of stuff on this thread, so I'll only point out a few things: Re mass transit and the gov't staying out of things, had the gov't stayed out of things and not built the interstate highway system or massively subsidized roadbuilding efforts, we'd probably still be taking trains. The US was much more of a mass-transit based society until the feds started intervening.
  
  The problem with "letting the market take care of things" is that you can have such things as market failures, specifically with regard to NIMBY'ism like we see when it comes to building rail lines, power plants, transmission lines, etc. If there were no gov't intervention or eminent domain, none of this would ever get built. When you're building lines that stretch for hundreds of miles, a single recalcitrant landowner can hold up the process and create massive headaches for everyone. That's always going to be a trade-off, and I'm not convinced that the "market always succeeds" people realize the practical realities of forestalling gov't intervention in these sorts of industries.
  
  FWIW, the shale gas finds and oil finds are nice, but they're not likely to solve the long-term issues, and they bring a host of potential environmental issues with them. Obama's energy policy has been fairly reasonable on the whole (support for nuclear, support for offshore drilling, support for renewables).

  
  Word. Contrary to popular belief in these parts, the government isn't inherently evil--only the federal government.