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Sens. Paul, Vitter introduce citizenship resolution

  • BGFalcons82
    Con_Alma;656129 wrote:The State of Kentucky is now introducing a Bill into their own house to require unemployment benefit recipients to pass a random drug test in order to continue to receive benefits. This type of legislation was once thought "unpassable". It's carrying a 92% approval of the citizens og Kentucky right now.

    The greatest leaders have the ability to take very gray issues and make them black & white. Senator Paul does that and in the process continues to place a microscope over top of a very serious issue.

    Excellent. If the people who have to fund the unemployed have to pass a whiz quiz, then so should the ones receiving the benefits. Fair is fair....right?
  • CenterBHSFan
    BGFalcons82;656946 wrote:Excellent. If the people who have to fund the unemployed have to pass a whiz quiz, then so should the ones receiving the benefits. Fair is fair....right?
    Actually, the employers should have to take substantially more "whiz quizes" because they earn more money ;)
  • 2quik4u
    impose outrageous fines to businesses who hire illegal immigrants, that will fix the problem real quick
  • Websurfinbird
    Would someone on here please tell me, what if anything the Mexican government is doing to help the U.S. with this matter? It doesn't seem like much, but I am admittedly not well versed on this topic.
  • CenterBHSFan
    Websurfinbird;659215 wrote:Would someone on here please tell me, what if anything the Mexican government is doing to help the U.S. with this matter? It doesn't seem like much, but I am admittedly not well versed on this topic.
    Well, Calderon came over here and derided and chastised Americans. President Obama tried to cough to get his balls to drop, but it didn't work.

    That's about the extent of Mexico "helping" us.
  • ptown_trojans_1
    Websurfinbird;659215 wrote:Would someone on here please tell me, what if anything the Mexican government is doing to help the U.S. with this matter? It doesn't seem like much, but I am admittedly not well versed on this topic.

    They are trying and failing to stop the Drug Lords.
  • Writerbuckeye
    Doesn't his government actually encourage Mexicans to come here...I mean overtly? I swear I read something to that effect long ago.
  • jhay78
    Writerbuckeye;659451 wrote:Doesn't his government actually encourage Mexicans to come here...I mean overtly? I swear I read something to that effect long ago.

    From the Mexican Ministry of Foreign Affairs (I don't think they have this on their website anymore):

    http://www.no2mexico.com/Downloads/Illegal-Mexican-Migrant-Guide-Book.pdf

    And someone arguing the opposite side of the issue: http://www.letxa.com/guiamigrante.php
  • mella
    Easy solution to reduce most of the illegal immigration issue:
    1. Use special ops to "disappear" the drug czars.
    2. Make Mexico the next state. Its southern border is smaller and easier to defend.
  • O-Trap
    CenterBHSFan;657241 wrote:Actually, the employers should have to take substantially more "whiz quizes" because they earn more money ;)
    Nah. If they're peeing hot, at least they're paying for it.
    mella;660696 wrote:Easy solution to reduce most of the illegal immigration issue:
    1. Use special ops to "disappear" the drug czars.
    2. Make Mexico the next state. Its southern border is smaller and easier to defend.

    This would be a logistical cluster_ _ _ _, but I like where your head's at with the first one.
  • mella
    If millions of Mexican immigrants are coming here every year then who will be living in Mexico in a few years? Reverse immigration, millions of Americans should "homestead" in Mexico. The cost of living is cheap, family members in America can send money to them. Small farms can provide a co-op style of living for food and basics, non-profit groups could install solar powered pumps for wells. A possible building boom could stimulate the local economies.
  • O-Trap
    mella;660725 wrote:If millions of Mexican immigrants are coming here every year then who will be living in Mexico in a few years? Reverse immigration, millions of Americans should "homestead" in Mexico. The cost of living is cheap, family members in America can send money to them. Small farms can provide a co-op style of living for food and basics, non-profit groups could install solar powered pumps for wells. A possible building boom could stimulate the local economies.

    For someone with the startup cash, this could be a goldmine.
  • mella
    Our government has the cash. Start with people on welfare, our government will pay them half benefits to live in Mexico. The US government saves money by paying half benefits and the welfare recipients (who want to work but just can't find jobs) get a plot of land and are getting paid to develop it.
  • Con_Alma
    mella;660743 wrote:Our government has the cash. ...


    ...thought we were in debt to the tune of trillions?


    mella;660743 wrote:...Start with people on welfare, our government will pay them half benefits to live in Mexico. The US government saves money by paying half benefits and the welfare recipients (who want to work but just can't find jobs) get a plot of land and are getting paid to develop it.


    That sounds like if I stay in the US I get double the money.
  • O-Trap
    Con_Alma;660746 wrote:...thought we were in debt to the tune of trillions?
    Cash = liquid funds. That isn't to say we don't owe them elsewhere. ;)

    I owe $37,000 in school loans, and another $12,000 in auto payments. Doesn't mean I might spend the $20 bill in my pocket on something else. :D
  • mella
    Con_Alma;660746 wrote:That sounds like if I stay in the US I get double the money.
    But you have to consider the cost of living. Remember millions of illegals take low paying American jobs and send money back to Mexico. A person might be able to live well in Mexico on half benefits, but struggle in the U.S. with double the money.
  • I Wear Pants
    mella;660696 wrote:Easy solution to reduce most of the illegal immigration issue:
    1. Use special ops to "disappear" the drug czars.
    2. Make Mexico the next state. Its southern border is smaller and easier to defend.

    Or circumvent the drug czars by legalizing drugs and heavily regulating it so that criminals aren't the ones selling or manufacturing them.
  • CenterBHSFan
    I Wear Pants;660933 wrote:Or circumvent the drug czars by legalizing drugs and heavily regulating it so that criminals aren't the ones selling or manufacturing them.
    Would that necessarily work, though? I would be that criminals and drug lords would still be in business, selling for much cheaper than a taxized drug.
  • O-Trap
    CenterBHSFan;660944 wrote:Would that necessarily work, though? I would be that criminals and drug lords would still be in business, selling for much cheaper than a taxized drug.

    They would certainly probably move to other lines of work, though, because now they're dealing with private sector competition. As it is, they aren't taxed, but they still make an obscene ROI because they have very little respective competition (pretty much, they have geographically limited monopolies) right now. Even with taxes on it, they'd have to drop rates, AND they'd be dealing with companies who hire employees dedicated to knowing how to maximize profitability while being competitive in the industry.

    What's more, if they're selling it illegally, they'll be incurring other expenses that the legit companies won't be incurring, because they'll need additional anonymity and security (the kind all such companies would need, PLUS the kind that would be used to protect them from the authorities).

    Then, you're still running through risk factors if you buy illegally. No regulation means lacing becomes a pretty easy solution if you are wanting the long-term customers.

    I would say, all in all, if drugs were legalized in the US, the illegal drug industry would become a lot like the illegal medical industry. Sure, some guy who got a 2-year medical assistant degree from an online vocational school could charge you less for a LASIK operation in his basement, but would you risk your eyes to someone like that, even to save a couple grand?
  • Con_Alma
    mella;660752 wrote:But you have to consider the cost of living. ....
    ...and quality of life.

    I'll take twice the money and the higher quality of life that comes with the higher cost of living.
  • O-Trap
    Con_Alma;661005 wrote:...and quality of life.

    I'll take twice the money and the higher quality of life that comes with the higher cost of living.

    If the area gets developed, though, the quality of life goes up.

    Problem is, so does cost of living. ;)
  • mella
    The idea is just in its infancy. I still have to sell the plan to the Washington elite to encourage welfare recipients to "homestead" in Mexico.
  • dwccrew
    O-Trap;660747 wrote:Cash = liquid funds. That isn't to say we don't owe them elsewhere. ;)

    I owe $37,000 in school loans, and another $12,000 in auto payments. Doesn't mean I might spend the $20 bill in my pocket on something else. :D


    You'll probably spend it on a couch dance at the local "gentleman's" club, but I suggest waiting for the 2 for $30 special.
  • O-Trap
    dwccrew;661292 wrote:You'll probably spend it on a couch dance at the local "gentleman's" club, but I suggest waiting for the 2 for $30 special.

    Bought a couple beers instead. More win than your idea. ;)
  • dwccrew
    O-Trap;661343 wrote:Bought a couple beers instead. More win than your idea. ;)
    No way, you could stimulate the economy with couch dances while stimulating other "things" as well!!! :)