War with China?

• dwccrew

  

  believer;643825 wrote:Perhaps but they can certainly pull the financial plug on our ability to protect our own military and financial interests.
  
  I'm not worried about Chi-com tanks rolling down Main Street but I am most definitely concerned that our children and our children's children will pick up the tab...and at a very, very heavy price.
  
  What stuns me is I can clearly recall the images on network news as Nixon stepped off Air Force One 40 some years ago and seeing very few cars and a lot of bicycles on the streets of Beijing.
  
  Now the Chinese are buying cars faster than Americans and don't seem to have any unemployment issues. If we're not careful, our kids will be the ones riding bicycles as adults to their minimum wage government make-work jobs.
  
  But - hey - their health care needs will be met...right?
  
  As the Chi-coms are reaping the benefits of capitalism, Americans are clamoring for the pitfalls of socialism. Amazing thing to watch.

  
  
  Very good post.
• Tobias Fünke

  

  Believer if we lived in a world where one could right a bike to work, it would be amazing. You could definitely make an argument that China's (and really the rest of the world's) centralized planning and not being dependent on the automobile gives them a leg up on us.
  
  To think China could invade the US in the foreseeable future is funny. They don't have the capability to move their massive army, so they are not even close to being an offensive military.
• dwccrew

  

  Tobias Fünke;644446 wrote:Believer if we lived in a world where one could right a bike to work, it would be amazing. You could definitely make an argument that China's (and really the rest of the world's) centralized planning and not being dependent on the automobile gives them a leg up on us.
  
  To think China could invade the US in the foreseeable future is funny. They don't have the capability to move their massive army, so they are not even close to being an offensive military.

  
  Another good post.
• stlouiedipalma

  Geez, you guys want to get a room, or what?
• oberhaus

  

  Cleveland Buck;643775 wrote:Not to mention, if all Americans have to defend themselves are pistols and BB guns, we're fucked when Chinese tanks start driving down the street. The criminals will have adequate weapons, but not enough of them.

  You are naive if you think that these militia types only have hand guns or simple arms. Very naive.
  
  
  Sent from my DROIDX
• believer

  

  fish82;644421 wrote:You didn't hear? That's exactly what they're doing! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234719/

  Un-friggin believable! wow
• Belly35

  

  Hope we don't have a War with China I will be out of business and lose some very good friends...
• I Wear Pants

  Belly has friends in China....Belly is a COMMUNIST!!!!
  
  I don't see either China or the US wanting a war with each other. We benefit each other too much to want that.
• 2quik4u

  

  I guarantee China is building up their navy as we speak. We thought the Chinese wouldn't have a stealth fighter for another decade (yes I know they still have a lot of work to do with it but still thought it would be a long time before even a prototype came out ). I could care less about about how much they say they spend on the military. I guarantee it is way more then they report.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  2quik4u;644892 wrote:I guarantee China is building up their navy as we speak. We thought the Chinese wouldn't have a stealth fighter for another decade (yes I know they still have a lot of work to do with it but still thought it would be a long time before even a prototype came out ). I could care less about about how much they say they spend on the military. I guarantee it is way more then they report.

  
  Yes, they are building a Navy. But, unlike a plane, which could be hidden is buildings, a ship is pretty easy to spot on satellites. (Drydock, near water, heavy machines, etc.) So, we know with a good bit of confidence how many ships they are building.
• dwccrew

  

  ccrunner609;644516 wrote:I know one thing, China isnt going backwards. They will continue to catch us economically and militarially

  
  One thing about countries like China though, not sure if they'll be able to sustain their current rate of growth. Eventually they will slow down. Little to no regulation and a regime that is totalitarian like will never succeed in the long run IMO.
• I Wear Pants

  No one can sustain explosive growth for too long. Which is one of the problems we've got.
• Belly35

  

  I Wear Pants;644853 wrote:Belly has friends in China....Belly is a COMMUNIST!!!!
  
  I don't see either China or the US wanting a war with each other. We benefit each other too much to want that.

  
  
  
  For now I just want my back orders filled
  Hey! To them I’m an English scholar.
• believer

  

  dwccrew;644993 wrote:One thing about countries like China though, not sure if they'll be able to sustain their current rate of growth. Eventually they will slow down. Little to no regulation and a regime that is totalitarian like will never succeed in the long run IMO.

  Perhaps but they're vowing to try: alun Gong
  
• I Wear Pants

  Belly35;645051 wrote:For now I just want my back orders filled
  Hey! To them I’m an English scholar.

  Haha.
• gut

  Let me explain in very simple terms how the China-US economic relationship works: We buy cheap goods they make, then they loan us back our money at effectively 0 or negative rates to buy more. You don't have one without the other. It's the sovereign version of seller financing.
• believer

  

  gut;647650 wrote:Let me explain in very simple terms how the China-US economic relationship works: We buy cheap goods they make, then they loan us back our money at effectively 0 or negative rates to buy more. You don't have one without the other. It's the sovereign version of seller financing.

  With Wal Mart, K-Mart, and Target serving as the distributors? lol
  
  I agree though.
  
  Here's the flaw in this arrangement: Americans are obviously more than willing to snatch-up cheap goods made by cheap Chinese labor but at the expense of more and more American jobs.
  
  Sooner or later those cheap Chinese goods won't sell as well since the American unemployed and/or under-employed will no longer be able to afford as much cheap Chinese goods. As American consumption of Chinese goods declines, the Chinese government will slow or end the "seller financing" forcing the American government to raise taxes on those American fortunate to still have jobs in order to pay for growing unemployment lines, ObamaKare, etc.
  
  And as taxes rise for those Americans who are still fortunate enough to be employed, they too will have less disposable income to purchase cheap Chinese goods causing the Chinese to decide to call in the trillions of dollars they've loaned the Feds to help the spenders in DC stay in business. The Feds then raise taxes again to compensate for their insane and irresponsible spending habits and we buy even less cheap Chinese goods.
  
  China will eventually lose their vast American Consumer Empire and be forced to seek new markets. Meanwhile the United States will become a second-rate economic power where the only benefit will be that Mexican illegals will no longer see the United States as the land of free education and government-paid health care...tax-free of course.