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Proposition 19

  • like_that
    I Wear Pants;543169 wrote:I don't doubt that every cop, lawyer, judge, jail employee, prosecutor, etc voted against this in an attempt to keep their jobs.

    Pretty distasteful but I bet it's true.

    I doubt it. There are plenty of other issues than finding people with weed.
  • CenterBHSFan
    I have years of experience of living in Ca., and know the general state of mind over there. Bet the farm on it - illegal pot = public jobs status quo.
  • I Wear Pants
    There actually aren't.

    If the transcripts are correct from the Supreme Court hearings on the video game case today (Schwarzenegger vs EMA) crime (might have been violent crime) is down 50% since Doom came out.

    I still don't understand why anyone can be insupport of the drug war.
  • CenterBHSFan
    haha! Wow
  • I Wear Pants
    like_that;543179 wrote:I doubt it. There are plenty of other issues than finding people with weed.
    Tell the DEA and their 2.6 billion dollar budget that.
  • I Wear Pants
    CenterBHSFan;543190 wrote:haha! Wow
    The Doom thing was anecdotal. I nor anyone was implying that Doom reduced crime. It was simply used as evidence against the proposed California law to restrict video game sales. One of the reasons they want to restrict their sales is they say that it promotes and causes violence. But since the violent game controversy started (when Doom came out) crime has drastically decreased.
  • dlazz
    I Wear Pants is spot on, IMO.
  • I Wear Pants
    dlazz, I doubt it.

    I usually get at least something wrong, rarely do I see the whole picture clearly at first.

    I just feel that there is too much money and too many jobs invested in fighting marijuana for it to be legalized now.

    I find it funny that conservatives are against legalization (which means, at least currently, they are for spending billions and billions fighting a losing battle) which seems to go against their fiscal policy views.
  • justincredible
    A true conservative would not be against the legalization.
  • I Wear Pants
    Then we have very few true conservatives in this country.
  • like_that
    I am all for it. It can't do anything but help imho.
  • tk421
    Looks like pot heads should hold off on that celebration in California for now. CNN "projecting" that Prop. 19 has been voted NO.
  • I Wear Pants
    Actually it doesn't really matter for the people of California. California has already decriminalized pot to the point that you can possess less than one ounce without any criminal violations. You get a civil violation which doesn't even require a court appearance. Sort of like a parking ticket.

    Prop 19 would have been beneficial to the rest of us as it'd be easier to legalize in other states because of it.
  • tk421
    A few other states had medical marijuana measures on the ballots and I don't think any of those passed, either.
  • dwccrew
    tk421;542457 wrote:Yeah, I agree that the pot issue isn't the most important thing to worry about. You'd think California had more important things to focus on, like that pesky huge deficit they are running.
    The legalization of Pot would help their deficit thru the taxation of it.
    CenterBHSFan;543146 wrote:Not exactly true. It really depends/varies on the person. There's people who take 2 hits and can barely hold their eyes open, much less drive safely. Just like there's people who can't or shouldn't drive after drinking 2 beers.

    While I agree with you that different people are effected by each drug differently, overall, alcohol is much more destructive and impairing. In almost every study I've ever read this has been the conclusion and I agree with that conclusion.
    CenterBHSFan;543155 wrote:Well, I think we should keep in mind, just like Californians are doing, that there are alot of public jobs that depend on pot being illegal.

    I think all those public jobs would be safe if pot were legalized. There is lots of crime to be committed to save those jobs.
  • tk421
    dwccrew;543374 wrote:The legalization of Pot would help their deficit thru the taxation of it.

    I don't see how this Prop. would have helped California at all with taxes because it allowed people to grow it at home.
  • ohiotiger33
    Don't confuse American conservatism with Libertarianism. The latter being much better. It cuts the BS. The former is against legalization for religious/moral reasons.
  • stlouiedipalma
    Writerbuckeye;542837 wrote:I'd have to see how it was going to be regulated, first. I'm very libertarian when it comes to drug use, etc. I honestly don't think it's government's business -- but I do recognize the public safety factor (driving while stoned, etc.) I lean toward legalization of pot, prostitution, gambling and assorted other victimless crimes...realizing that doing so would also create added government to provide a watchdog (the necessary downside).

    Writer, I'm shocked that a true conservative such as you would even use the word "regulated". Now that I've made a feeble attempt at humor, I must say I agree with your take on this issue.
  • tcarrier32
    I Wear Pants;543307 wrote:Actually it doesn't really matter for the people of California. California has already decriminalized pot to the point that you can possess less than one ounce without any criminal violations. You get a civil violation which doesn't even require a court appearance. Sort of like a parking ticket.

    Prop 19 would have been beneficial to the rest of us as it'd be easier to legalize in other states because of it.

    i found it weird that Ohio decriminalized simple possession (under 100g) before California did.

    Not looking good for prop 19. Little disappointed right now.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    The bill may have failed but it got people talking about the issue more. It really is a question of "when" not "if". In the polling it showed that those between 18-39 were supporting it and those 65 and older were against it. It'll take the death of another generation of two.
  • I Wear Pants
    tk421;543376 wrote:I don't see how this Prop. would have helped California at all with taxes because it allowed people to grow it at home.
    People are allowed to grow everything else at home. But we don't because we are lazy.