The healthcare law merely legislates more people into coverage

• LJ

  

  It doesn't make it more affordable.
  
  Story time, I got my healthcare renewal today. I still have myself who is covered and 2 "employees" (long story). We are all decently healthy, no major surgeries, but I am 25 and they are 42 and 47 respectively. This past year it has been $1900 per month for decent coverage. I was expecting around $2500 per month, nope, that would be great. It went from $1900 per month to $3400 per month.
  
  This healthcare bill is bullshit.
• Belly35

  

  Welcome to the Obama Agenda of poverty.... Spread the Wealth ...translation: Hard working Americans pay for lazy mother fucker drug addicts, illlegals and worthless criminals (Democrat base voters) I would bet you voted for Obama LJ .....
• LJ

  

  Belly35;484092 wrote:Welcome to the Obama Agenda of poverty.... Spread the Wealth ...translation: Hard working Americans pay for lazy mother fucker drug addicts, illlegals and worthless criminals (Democrat base voters) I would bet you voted for Obama LJ .....

  
  huh?
• believer

  

  LJ;484084 wrote:It doesn't make it more affordable.
  
  Story time, I got my healthcare renewal today. I still have myself who is covered and 2 "employees" (long story). We are all decently healthy, no major surgeries, but I am 25 and they are 42 and 47 respectively. This past year it has been $1900 per month for decent coverage. I was expecting around $2500 per month, nope, that would be great. It went from $1900 per month to $3400 per month.
  
  This healthcare bill is bullshit.

  And it's only just beginning.
• Ty Webb

  

  Belly35;484092 wrote:Welcome to the Obama Agenda of poverty.... Spread the Wealth ...translation: Hard working Americans pay for lazy mother fucker drug addicts, illlegals and worthless criminals (Democrat base voters) I would bet you voted for Obama LJ .....

  
  Republicans better get their inbred,white trash,racist,gun touting,bible thumping base out this fall if they hope to win
  
  See....two can play that game Belly
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Most of us have said all along this bill has one goal: to eventually force people to drop their private insurance (or companies to drop it) so the government will "have" to step in and rescue everyone.
  
  I have no doubt that this is Obama's end game and has been all along. I just hope it can be stopped from happening.
• BGFalcons82

  

  Writerbuckeye;484265 wrote:I have no doubt that this is Obama's end game and has been all along. I just hope it can be stopped from happening.

  
  A large step #1 occurred in Pensacola, Florida courtroom today. The final step will occur in the SCOTUS, sometime in 2012 or 2013.
• IggyPride00

  

  This is what happens when U.S citizens get stuck subsidizing the world's healthcare system because we are the only country on earth where pharma, medical device companies, and every other tech advancement firm can charge what they want with no form of govt. rationing or price controls.
  
  We are supplementing the profit margin they aren't making in the rest of the world, and have been for a long time now.
  
  If the Canadian govt (just one example of hundreds more like it)only allows a company to charge a $1 a pill, but it costs company X $2, that means Americans are now stuck paying $3 since we are the only way they can make up for the lost profit margin. That is why we have laws against drug re-importation or medicare price negotiation.
  
  It is the big secret that the healthcare companies don't want the public to know, and have paid off our politicians accordingly to make sure the racket stays in place.
  
  The thinking is if we don't supplement the world's profits, that R&D will dry up and innovation will stop. That may be true, but it is getting to the point we can't afford the bill much longer.
• believer

  

  IggyPride00;484470 wrote:This is what happens when U.S citizens get stuck subsidizing the world's healthcare system because we are the only country on earth where pharma, medical device companies, and every other tech advancement firm can charge what they want with no form of govt. rationing or price controls.
  
  We are supplementing the profit margin they aren't making in the rest of the world, and have been for a long time now.
  
  If the Canadian govt (just one example of hundreds more like it)only allows a company to charge a $1 a pill, but it costs company X $2, that means Americans are now stuck paying $3 since we are the only way they can make up for the lost profit margin. That is why we have laws against drug re-importation or medicare price negotiation.
  
  It is the big secret that the healthcare companies don't want the public to know, and have paid off our politicians accordingly to make sure the racket stays in place.
  
  The thinking is if we don't supplement the world's profits, that R&D will dry up and innovation will stop. That may be true, but it is getting to the point we can't afford the bill much longer.

  The answer is not the implementation of our own government rationing and price controls. That smacks of socialism. Every other government on earth has adopted these anti-capitalist practices which is the real reason we pay a premium for American-based health care innovation and technology.
  
  The answer lies in a free market. You can lay blame on those eeeeeevil pharmaceutical, insurance, and medical technology companies all you want. Are they part of the blame? Certainly but without eeeeevil profits what incentive is there for these companies to continue to develop life saving drugs and medical technology? Unfortunately you are right...the American consumer/taxpayer gets stuck with the bill as usual.
  
  But it's not entirely the fault of those eeeeevil health care corporations either. In my humble opinion it's our spineless twit politicians who at least share a great deal of the blame. Rather than pressuring "other governments" to stop implementing price controls and subsidizing their own failing socialist health care systems and thereby encouraging the free market to help bring about price equilibrium in the overall health care industry, they take the path of least resistance by legislating our own brand of doomed-to-failure socialist health care which will only serve to exacerbate the problem for American health care consumers in the long haul.
  
  Our laws that prevent re-importation of drugs from cheaper foreign sources, medicare price negotiation, allowing health insurance companies to compete across state lines, tort reform, and many other issues need to be re-evaluated by courageous forward-thinking politicians.
• Mr. 300

  

  As has been stated before, the new Healthcare bill will ruin small busniess.
• Belly35

  

  Ty Webb;484204 wrote:Republicans better get their inbred,white trash,racist,gun touting,bible thumping base out this fall if they hope to win
  
  See....two can play that game Belly

  My classification of the Democrat base was general with not stipulation of race, creed or color
  
  So you’re classifying Republican as white (white trash)…is that a racist comment?
  So you’re classifying Republican as religious (Bible thumping) …is that a racist mentality?
  So you’re classifying Republican as to sexual preference (inbred)…is that a racist connotation?
  So you’re classifying Republican as gun touting…is that our right as Americans …
• Ty Webb

  

  Not a suprise that you don't understand the point I was making...but that's ok Belly
  
  I was showing that anyone can throw things up on a screen that aren't true....understand now Belly
• redstreak one

  

  Ty Webb;484841 wrote:I was showing that anyone can throw things up on a screen that aren't true....understand now Belly

  No, but I do you prove that everytime you hit enter!
• QuakerOats

  You cannot cover an additional 30 million people, witness the decline in the number of doctors, add 3 million pages of regulations, and expect either better health care and/or lower health care costs. It does not work - period.
  
  If you believe(d) it could work then you subscribe to the marxist philosophy and policy agenda of obama/pelosi/reid.
  
  We have elected the enemy. At least it appears the majority of Americans now recognize this fact.
• jmog

  Imagine that, the HCB isn't going to lower costs like Obama/Reid/Pelosi promised...
  
  I think every American with 2 brain cells knew this would be the case.
• sleeper

  

  Raising the costs for business owners/people who actually work, so others who don't work and don't do anything all day can have their costs lowers.
  
  This is why I never vote democrat, they play class wars, and I feel like I'm electing the masses.
• BoatShoes

  I have heard that even Medicare's chief actuary projects that health care costs will go up close to $250 per capita. A liberal might say that's a small price to pay for 30 million more Americans to have health insurance.
• jmog

  BoatShoes;484911 wrote:I have heard that even Medicare's chief actuary projects that health care costs will go up close to $250 per capita. A liberal might say that's a small price to pay for 30 million more Americans to have health insurance.

  
  The problem is who is going to "foot the bill" for those whose job doesn't provide it?
  
  Oh yeah, those of us tax payers and our grand kids.
• fish82

  

  Gibby meltdown alert!!!!!! :eek:
• BoatShoes

  jmog;484912 wrote:The problem is who is going to "foot the bill" for those whose job doesn't provide it?
  
  Oh yeah, those of us tax payers and our grand kids.

  
  Well, yes that's true...just as taxpayers foot the bill for many other social goods like Medicare and SS or any number of things...but also, for at least some of those folks, they may be able to find affordable coverage within the new insurance markets.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  BoatShoes;484911 wrote:I have heard that even Medicare's chief actuary projects that health care costs will go up close to $250 per capita. A liberal might say that's a small price to pay for 30 million more Americans to have health insurance.

  
  I don't believe for one second the cost will be that low. Multiply it by a factor of 10 or more and we might get in the ballpark.
• jmog

  BoatShoes;484917 wrote:Well, yes that's true...just as taxpayers foot the bill for many other social goods like Medicare and SS or any number of things...but also, for at least some of those folks, they may be able to find affordable coverage within the new insurance markets.

  
  1. Technially tax payers don't "food the bill" for SS, it is supposed to be (I know, haha) a "personal account" or even realistically a separate pool of money. I know our government has not been able to keep up with this, but thats the idea. Technically you are not supposed to get any SS unless you paid in, and you only get a % of how much you made/paid in. If you paid more, you get more. Its the only "social" program like this.
  2. Just because we've done it in the past doesn't mean its the right thing to do. If a person's skills/abilities affords them to get a job that provides benefits, then thats great and how the free market should work. If it does not then they should work harder/develop their skills to get a better job. If someone is so dirt poor that they can't afford it either way, we already have medicaid/medicare to help them.
• BoatShoes

  jmog;484940 wrote:
  2. Just because we've done it in the past doesn't mean its the right thing to do. If a person's skills/abilities affords them to get a job that provides benefits, then thats great and how the free market should work. If it does not then they should work harder/develop their skills to get a better job. If someone is so dirt poor that they can't afford it either way, we already have medicaid/medicare to help them.

  
  The world needs retail sales clerks, bartenders, etc. too and they ought to be able to get affordable health care...I don't have all of the answers but if my healthcare is more expensive and I'm lucky enough to have a good job...I suppose I can live with that if it's subsidizing the healthcare of the people who check me out at the grocery store, get me drunk on the weekends and bring me food when I take my girl out.
• BoatShoes

  Writerbuckeye;484937 wrote:I don't believe for one second the cost will be that low. Multiply it by a factor of 10 or more and we might get in the ballpark.

  
  I'm just repeating what the AP reported. Don't shoot the messenger. FWIW I was off...$265 per capita is the estimate
  
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_costs_fact_check
• BoatShoes

  jmog;484940 wrote:1. Technially tax payers don't "food the bill" for SS,

  
  Tell that to Manhattan Buckeye and see what he thinks haha.