Who do YOU think wrote the Stimulus, the Cap-n-Trade and The heathcare bills?

• RoyalNut

  

  I do not know, But I have my doubts it was congress. Who do you think wrote them?
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Special interest.
• tk421

  

  CenterBHSFan wrote: Special interest.

  Don't they always? It's a little suspicious that we hear everyone lambasting insurance companies as greedy and uncaring then Congress looks to pass a bill that would require every American to have insurance, thus giving the evil insurance companies even more profit. Hmmm.... :huh:
• majorspark

  

  I read this article in the examiner today. I posted this on another thread. The author gives a good summation on those who maybe benefitting from cap and trade legislation.

  Instead let's follow the money. Who benefits from "Cap and Trade" legislation? Could it be - Wall St? Could it be Al Gore? Could it be anyone from Goldman-Sachs? Yes, yes and yes! Al Gore is co-founder of Generation Investment Management. The other founder is former Goldman Sachs partner David Blood. This is the company that will sell carbon offsets to rich polluters under the Cap and Trade (ponzi) scheme. Then Wall St. will create derivatives and options markets and make billions if not trillions if and when this thing goes world wide. Who pays for it? The people who use electricity (you and me) generated by power plants that use some type of fossil fuel that creates carbon emissions, such as oil and coal, pay for it.
  
  Now please understand, I am all for reducing pollution of all kinds, getting off fossil fuels, recycling and so forth. What I am against is taxing the many for the benefit of the few. In this case we have Wall St. with perhaps it's first direct tax. Kind of scary when you think about it. All of the money that power companies will have to pay for carbon offsets will come from the end users (you and me) and then go through Blood and Gore's (got a nice ring to it) company. Then Wall St. gets to create an entire derivatives market based solely on trading of said offsets, which will easily be a multi-trillion dollar market, again without any underlying assets. So how does this benefit the climate again? Not at all really. It's all about the money. The climate is just an excuse to move money from the many to the few.

  http://www.examiner.com/x-29940-Long-Island-Independent-Examiner~y2009m11d22-Hacked-climate-science-emails-and-Cap-and-Trade
• CenterBHSFan

  

  It's all about the Blood and Gore!!
• ernest_t_bass

  

  I will make a vote for special interest groups. I would think that they write most of the new stuff, don't they?
• fortfan

  Lawyers
• fast_orange

  
  
  Special interest "think tanks"
  
  The same liberal folks who teach at Berkeley
• RoyalNut

  

  Well I also know this. Andy Stern visited the White House more often then any other person. (That is documented fact)
  Andy Stern is the President of SEIU (fact) SEIU and ACORN are sister organizations (fact)
  Obama said to SEIU convention "The question is not who in Washington is talking about your agenda, the question is Who in Washington can make your agenda a reality?"
  (see it here come out of his own mouth!)
  
  
  You watch, Illegal immigration immunity will be next! That is another big SEIU agenda goal
  
  I contest these are the people that wrote this health care bill.
  Who is really running this country?
• 2trap_4ever

  It was the lobbyist that Obama said he wouldn't work with during the election.
• cbus4life

  Karl Marx.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  cbus4life wrote: Karl Marx.

  
  Wait! I thought it was Saul Alinski!?
• cbus4life

  CenterBHSFan wrote:

  cbus4life wrote: Karl Marx.

  
  Wait! I thought it was Saul Alinski!?

  And William Ayers, he included a clause that allows him to blow shit up all he wants.
  
  He is, afterall, a dangerous terrorist, and Obama supports terrorists, so it makes sense.
  
  I wouldn't be surprised at all if he managed to bring his namesake, Saddam HUSSEIN (remember, Barack Hussein Obama) back from the dead to get his input as well.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  And William Ayers, he included a clause that allows him to blow shit up all he wants.

  AHAHAHA!!!!
  
  :dodgy:
• 0311sdp

  Although he didn't write it, this is the kind of legislation Obama supports and if the voters who voted for him would have bothered to check what kind of causes he supported as a senator instead of blindly believing what the media spewed, most people with any common sense would not have voted him into office.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  0311sdp wrote: Although he didn't write it, this is the kind of legislation Obama supports and if the voters who voted for him would have bothered to check what kind of causes he supported as a senator instead of blindly believing what the media spewed, most people with any common sense would not have voted him into office.

  
  Well... they wanted change, and they got it.
  
  What they'll do with it remains to be seen! LOL
• 0311sdp

  CenterBHSFan wrote:

  0311sdp wrote: Although he didn't write it, this is the kind of legislation Obama supports and if the voters who voted for him would have bothered to check what kind of causes he supported as a senator instead of blindly believing what the media spewed, most people with any common sense would not have voted him into office.

  
  Well... they wanted change, and they got it.
  
  What they'll do with it remains to be seen! LOL

  I agree, most were so fed up with Bush that they would have voted for anyone. Unfortunately, this may prove to be even worse, we'll have to wait and see.
• Swamp Fox

  Evil Socialists bent on destroying the American way of life? Wild-eyed Muslim terrorists bent on destroying the American way of life? Evil Communist leaning Liberals in Congress bent on destroying the American way of life? Anyone who disagrees with those who have stated that they don't want to help fund health care for people who currently have no health care? I know that one or two of these have to be the right answer. Pick your favorite.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Swamp Fox,
  
  How about this?
  
  How about the government cleans up its house of cards that describes what it already has done to the health insurance programs that it already has, before it goes sticking its fingers into something else?
  How about a government that can properly (or at least reasonably) control social security, medicare, medicaid?
  How about a government that can pay Peter without robbing Paul?
  How about a government that shows a little restraint?
  How about a government that knows its role?
  
  I ask these questions, does that make me wrong?
  What am I asking that makes it so wrong?
  How should I be described because I happen to think those questions are legit?
  
  I'm starting to get the idea that maybe it WAS a good thing for Obama to be elected, because now people are being shaken out of their complacency.
  Does that make me somebody who needs to be called names by my own party? (astroturf ring a bell?)
  Why should I put my trust in the party that is publicly de-values and dismisses out of hand some of its own supporters for simply protesting/questioning what it's doing?
  I've been called racist, insensitive, heartless, a liar, astroturf, redneck, and a whole host of other names by other democrats because I haven't toe'd the party line.
  Does that seem "normal" to you?
  Does it sound like an entity that you can believe in?
  Is this the change that other democrats are believing in?
  
  I think it's HIGH TIME that other democrats get off the party nip and demand more from who we put in office!!!
  
  *I purposely left out the republican party for a few reasons.
  - that's another animal altogether
  - the democrats are able to be held accountable on their own, without holding the hand of anybody else
  - there will be plenty of time later for me to be dissatisfied with the republicans, as of right now they have no power
  - I think the republicans on this board need to question and hold accountable their own party also on another thread or another day.
• Footwedge

  RoyalNut wrote:
  Who is really running this country?

  Corporations are. The government does what the big money tells them to do. Been that way for about 40 years or so.
• Swamp Fox

  CenterBHSFan wrote: Swamp Fox,
  
  How about this?
  
  How about the government cleans up its house of cards that describes what it already has done to the health insurance programs that it already has, before it goes sticking its fingers into something else?
  How about a government that can properly (or at least reasonably) control social security, medicare, medicaid?
  How about a government that can pay Peter without robbing Paul?
  How about a government that shows a little restraint?
  How about a government that knows its role?
  
  I ask these questions, does that make me wrong?
  What am I asking that makes it so wrong?
  How should I be described because I happen to think those questions are legit?
  
  I'm starting to get the idea that maybe it WAS a good thing for Obama to be elected, because now people are being shaken out of their complacency.
  Does that make me somebody who needs to be called names by my own party? (astroturf ring a bell?)
  Why should I put my trust in the party that is publicly de-values and dismisses out of hand some of its own supporters for simply protesting/questioning what it's doing?
  I've been called racist, insensitive, heartless, a liar, astroturf, redneck, and a whole host of other names by other democrats because I haven't toe'd the party line.
  Does that seem "normal" to you?
  Does it sound like an entity that you can believe in?
  Is this the change that other democrats are believing in?
  
  
  
  
  
  I think it's HIGH TIME that other democrats get off the party nip and demand more from who we put in office!!!
  
  *I purposely left out the republican party for a few reasons.
  - that's another animal altogether
  - the democrats are able to be held accountable on their own, without holding the hand of anybody else
  - there will be plenty of time later for me to be dissatisfied with the republicans, as of right now they have no power
  - I think the republicans on this board need to question and hold accountable their own party also on another thread or another day.
  
  
  Center,
  
  Your questions are not wrong at all. You have every right in the world to be asking why things aren't better. Whether I believe the same things you do about the ultimate solutions to our problems is irrelevant. You have obviously found great frustration in the acts of your government and are trying to come to terms with it. My post showed my frustration with those that look for simple answers to complicated questions by using time honored tactics such as name calling to dismiss all suggestions without giving them time to work or not. You know as well as I that when massive changes are contemplated, there is always strong opposition. People are afraid of change. The problem is that in order to right the ship, many people feel that it isn't very prudent to continue policies that have been unsuccessful. The people that put Obama in the White House are expecting him to change things. They aren't on the party nip. What he is trying to do is exactly what the majority of Americans said they wanted him to do. The fact that you or I may or may not agree with those policies is also irrelevant. Saying that he and his party are violating the Constitution isn't true either....not until the Supreme Court says that he must stop because his policies are violating the Constitution. You or I saying it, is an opinion, just like the statements you made at the beginning of your post. Finally, I think it would be safe to say that historically, the Democratic party has always been more diverse and combative with each other than have the Republicans. with the recent swing to a more Conservative agenda, the Republicans have been changed by a very vocal minority of Republicans to begin to take a much more Conservative view of practically everything. If they were, in fact, the majority, John McCain and Sarah Palin would now be in the White House. I wouldn't worry too much about any massive changes being made, there is too much for the politicians to lose. Look for a continuation of inadequate health care coverage for the ones who need it most, a tax structure that continues to favor the wealthier Americans as opposed to the poor etc etc etc. it's secretly what many Americans want. They just can't say it out loud. if they did say it out loud, I would predict that people who heard them say it would be calling them all sorts of names. Names like racist, heartless, insensitive, a liar and so on and so forth. You get the picture.

• believer

  

  Swamp Fox wrote:What he is trying to do is exactly what the majority of Americans said they wanted him to do.

  I'm fairly certain that a "majority" of Americans did NOT want Federal spending to double from "W's" watch to BHO's.
  

  Swamp Fox wrote:If they were, in fact, the majority, John McCain and Sarah Palin would now be in the White House.

  While it is true that Dems currently outnumber Repubs in DC. But politically, America is solidly center-right (moderate to conservative). Gallup Poll
  

  Swamp Fox wrote:...a tax structure that continues to favor the wealthier Americans as opposed to the poor...

  Wrong. The rich pay the lion's share of taxes in this country. Same old class warfare mantra. Rich Pay More Than Fair Share
  
  "You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich and you cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer." - Abe Lincoln
• redstreak one

  

  The village of Piketon was placed on fiscal emergency by the State of OHio 5 years ago. Since then, a new mayor has been elected and new council members as well. They enacted a 1% village income tax that everyone originally complained about. Since then, the Village has been taken off of the watch. Police force is back in 24 hour patrol. Pike Hill, a road that was in desperate need of repair has been repaired and a red light placed on US RT 23 at that intersection. The water treatment plant is being uprgraded, the water tower was cleaned and painted recently. Several streets have been ground down and repaved. Street lights are running through the night. The village started a group that raised money to bring back fire works and a village wide festival on the 4th of July at no extra cost to the village.
  
  What am I trying to say, easy I dont have a problem giving money to our government when I see the necessary things being done to keep our Village up and running and prospering. Why cant I expect the same at the highest level of government? How can the State of Ohio step into our village and require our council and mayor to right the ship, while the state level and federal level run rampant.
  
  Wheres the checks and balances, oh thats right squabbling over partisan crap! Get together people, until Washing and Columbus see us coming together, they arent going to change a thing.
• Hesston

  

  Someone who is very liberal, lives in a large urban west coast city, (SanFran) never new anyone involved in the mining industry, caters to special interest groups galor, and will bankrupt our country.
  Not sure who that would be.