Kent State Student Death …….call it what it is?

• ernest_t_bass

  

  Yes, since there IS no evidence, we have to wait for it.
  
  If it was the other way around, you would not have to wait for the evidence.
• devil1197

  ernest_t_bass wrote: Yes, since there IS no evidence, we have to wait for it.
  
  If it was the other way around, you would not have to wait for the evidence.

  Criminally, yes you would have to wait for evidence.
  
  Media wise, mainly Sharpton, its automatically ruled a hate crime. I am not doubting you on that.
  
  Just don't stoop to Al's level by simply classifying this as a hate crime without any evidence.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  To me, it IS just a crime.
  
  If a white killed a black... same crime.
  
  If a liger mauled Al Sharpton... I'd applaud.
• Upper90

  Ah, and so it begins on Freehuddle.com as well.
• Upper90

  When will people learn to ignore Sharpton/Jackson....I think everyone sees them for what they are, and sure, they've got a few supporters still left, however, any race baiter of any color has those, and I'll not start a "My race baiter is worse than your race baiter!!" war, because at the end, the entire lot of them are idiots.
  
  Honestly, this wasn't a hate crime, there was nothing in it that stated it was racially motivated. However, the argument that any senseless crime against another human is a hate crime is one to take a look at, and make sense to me.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  But that's just the thing. Whoever said that if the races were reversed in this situation Sharpton would be on Kent's campus rallying is exactly right. And Upper, you KNOW it's true. It'd be all over the news and he'd be there to make sure it was handled as a hate crime--and in the end it would be handled that way. You know that's true, I don't really expect you to admit it but I don't need you to. It's definitely the way things are. People will learn to ignore Sharpton and Jackson when the black community stands up for itself and quits allowing them to be figureheads. Maybe everyone sees them for what they are, but the problem is every whitey in American also sees that their madness never ends. The only way it can is for someone else in the black community to step their game up and shut them down. All they talk about is racism and how they want it to end but all they do is FUEL IT. I'm just telling it like it is that as far as I'm concerned, the black man fuels modern racism in this country and is the only one complaining about it as well.
  
  And I'll tell you what Upper, if you could read the message that I just received from your buddy Sage (who laughs at Chris's death because he "got what was coming to him" and the guys that did it were "OG's") I can't imagine you'd support it. And I won't lie to you, I sent him a down right nasty response but I'm not going to hide the way I feel for someone like that. Like I said, white, black, yellow, purple, whatever...I have no problem with you until you give me a reason to.
  
  I'm done with this thread, we're making a mockery out of this story--rest in peace.
• Upper90

  Who in the so-called black community, as you say, allows Sharpton to be their figurehead?
  
  Don't be done with the thread...haha, please enlighten me.
  
  I know a feeeeewwww black people, just a few...none of them take those clowns seriously. It's as old as the BET argument. (Though, I do admit, I did watch BET the other night, because Menace II Society was on, and I'm a fan.)
  
  No one in the black community needs to "step up". We all, ALL need to take care of ourselves, our families, and the betterment of our own personal community, instead of trying to anoint someone as a speaker for a racial community. I know I don't want anyone representing me just because we share the same skin color. I do just fine representing myself. I think if anyone was as in touch with this "black community" as they would think, they would see that for themselves.
  
  Oh, and this:
  
  "the black man fuels modern racism in this country and is the only one complaining about it as well."
  
  There's no way that's true, can be proven, etc. etc.
  
  Racists lie in every race, because humans are humans. It's just the way it is. Not to mention....there's examples of whites complaining about race right in front of you, if you've paid attention. LOL, with that statement, you, yourself are complaining about racism. I mean....am I missing the irony, or is everyone else picking it up as well? It's what people do. But, oh, no....easy to pawn it all off on one sector of people, I suppose, no matter what their skin color is.
  
  Holding Jackson or Sharpton responsible for an entire black community is just as moronic, if not moreso as the people who come on here and claim that Limbaugh speaks for all conservatives, Olbermann speaks for all Liberals, etc. etc.
• Upper90

  I would suggest actually interacting within the "black community", and I'm sure this will draw a laundry list of black people that you all are friends with/related to/let use your bathroom....but if anyone actually thinks that I, or any number of other people just sit around, complain about racism, while watching BET and listening to a Jesse Jackson podcast, well....I've got bad news?
• ernest_t_bass

  

  Upper90 wrote:"the black man fuels modern racism in this country and is the only one complaining about it as well."
  
  There's no way that's true, can be proven, etc. etc.
  
  Racists lie in every race, because humans are humans. It's just the way it is. Not to mention....there's examples of whites complaining about race right in front of you, if you've paid attention. LOL, with that statement, you, yourself are complaining about racism. I mean....am I missing the irony, or is everyone else picking it up as well? It's what people do. But, oh, no....easy to pawn it all off on one sector of people, I suppose, no matter what their skin color is.

  I don't think you get what he's talking about.
  
  Whites complain about RACISM. Basically "leave me alone, I'm not racist."
  
  I believe what he is trying to say is that blacks complain about ACTS of racism. "I didn't get that job, only because I'm black. You're racist."
  
  If something happens to a white person, they are not eager to pull out the race card, like many other races are. We did it to ourselves, though.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  Upper90 wrote: I would suggest actually interacting within the "black community", and I'm sure this will draw a laundry list of black people that you all are friends with/related to/[size=medium]let use your bathroom[/size]....but if anyone actually thinks that I, or any number of other people just sit around, complain about racism, while watching BET and listening to a Jesse Jackson podcast, well....I've got bad news?

  
  I lol'ed at this.
• Blitzkrieg

  Solution is simple - fight back. Eye for an eye. A member of Kernichs family needs to go after Barker and Kelly's mothers or younger sister's. If it was my son, the mothers of this garbage would have already been dead.
• Upper90

  Goodness, I hope you're not serious. That would be a frightening mentality to actually have.
• devil1197

  Blitzkrieg wrote: Solution is simple - fight back. Eye for an eye. A member of Kernichs family needs to go after Barker and Kelly's mothers or younger sister's. If it was my son, the mothers of this garbage would have already been dead.

  Yes, the solution is more pointless violence.
  
  Great idea.
• Blitzkrieg

  devil1197 wrote: Yes, the solution is more pointless violence.

  I would use the term vengeance or retribution. Neither of which are pointless.
  
  Japan sinks the Arizona. The USA drops a bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Problem solved.
• devil1197

  Blitzkrieg wrote:

  devil1197 wrote: Yes, the solution is more pointless violence.

  I would use the term vengeance or retribution. Neither of which are pointless.
  
  Japan sinks the Arizona. The USA drops a bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Problem solved.

  Problem solved in a military situation.
  
  That analogy is stupid and irrelevant.
• Upper90

  Retribution??
  
  You're suggesting the murder of young sisters and mothers.
  
  Again, if you're serious, seek help.
  
  It's one thing when people on here suggest things like the people that did this should be beaten, killed, etc....while I don't agree with that line of thinking either, it at least makes more sense that saying, "Oh, well, someone should really kill their mothers and younger sisters...."
• matdad

  RoyalNut wrote:

  majorspark wrote: Anyone who commits unprovoked violent acts on another human being is guilty of a hate crime.

  HERE HERE!
  another prime example of why concealed carry is a good thing!

  I doubt that concealed carry would have saved this young man. Was he in a bar consuming alcohol? If so, he couldn't have legally been carrying a concealed weapon in that establishment. Not to mention that carrying one when you have been drinking is not very smart either.
  
  Just my 2 cents.
• iclfan2

  

  Someone on facebook made a group in support of the POS that did this. Talk about being ignorant. I hope these two thugs spend the rest of their lives in jail.
• GoChiefs

  

  Sage wrote: When was the last time you said, "You know, being white---it really went against me here." Never. So please, just shut the hell up.

  Actually..you can't say never. I lost a great job opportunity once to someone of a different race just b/c they didn't have 'enough' people of that race in this particular place of employment. Even though I was better qualified..I didn't get the job..just b/c I was white. So yes..being white..it really went against me there.
• Upper90

  Sounds like if that was the sole (proven) reason, you should have pursued a lawsuit.
  
  If you were better qualified, and they informed you that the reason you lost out on the job because they needed more black employees, and you were white.....that's technically not legal, I believe.
• Glory Days

  

  its hard to prove though. they could just say he didnt dot the "i" on his application as the reason they didnt hire him.
• GoChiefs

  

  Yes..that wasn't the 'technical' reason..I never did receive an 'official' reason as to why I didn't get it. That was the reason told to me from someone I know that was involved in the hiring process. I have no ill feelings about it. Wasn't a big deal to me. I was just using that as an example of how being white has went against me.
• Belly35

  

  There was three ( 3) guys ...Where is the other person and why have the police reported this third person. Are the other two so sadden by what they have done they can turn in the third person ...are they will to take the fall for who?????
  
  http://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/briefs/x1201849166/Kent-State-student-dies-after-severe-beating
  
  
  Blame the dead guy for being racist (I THINK NOT) but what about the 2 killer and the third person not being indentifed what is their back ground. Can we the public see what out standing citizen they where?
• dwccrew

  

  ernest_t_bass wrote: Reverse racism

  What is reverse racism? I thought there was only racism? No matter what race you are, you can be a racist. There is no such thing as reverse racism.
• Glory Days

  

  i believe it would be when you really like someone because of their race, instead of hating someone because of their race haha.