Isreal, help for the ignorant.

• eersandbeers

  Who started the 1967 War?
• eersandbeers

  majorspark;415009 wrote:What land should Israel give back? Be specific.

  
  The lands they are illegally occupying since the 1967 War that they started.
  
  The 1947 UN Partition Plan specifically lays out the lands given to Israel and Palestine. Israel currently has more than 200 illegal settlements in the West Bank and is trying to take over East Jerusalem.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Footie, I didn't bring up the media... ??
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  eersandbeers;423789 wrote:The lands they are illegally occupying since the 1967 War that they started.
  
  The 1947 UN Partition Plan specifically lays out the lands given to Israel and Palestine. Israel currently has more than 200 illegal settlements in the West Bank and is trying to take over East Jerusalem.

  Not that simply anymore. Any Palestinian land will be less than the 1967 boundaries due to established settlements that are not going anywhere.
  What broke down the 2000 Camp David talks was where exactly are those lines? What neighborhoods are Israeli and Palestinian? What about East Jerusalem, where are the lines there?
  
  As I mentioned before, it is way more complex than people think.
• Paladin

  That is exactly why there will not be peace until one side wipes out the other. Israel has literally stole more land. Arabs will never forgive or forget without that land. They are willing to die for it, have their kids die for it and kill anyone who supports a criminal Israel ( 9-11 ring a bell ?). U.S. should drop support of ISrael and funding them and let them know its on them to make peace. Then step aside.
• majorspark

  

  Paladin;423979 wrote:That is exactly why there will not be peace until one side wipes out the other.

  I agree that there will not be peace until one side wipes out the other which will require a massive bloodletting. Unfortunately this world is governed by the aggressive use of force. This piece of property has changed hands many times through out history.
  

  Paladin;423979 wrote:Israel has literally stole more land. Arabs will never forgive or forget without that land.

  There are quite a few Mexicans who feel the same way about the American Southwest. In fact they are repopulating that perceived stolen land as we speak. Just like the Jews did in the early part of the 20th century.
  
  

  Paladin;423979 wrote:( 9-11 ring a bell ?). U.S. should drop support of ISrael and funding them and let them know its on them to make peace. Then step aside.

  I don't support all our all of our foreign policy. It is a tough game to play in a hostile world. But if any foreign entity thinks they can come on our soil and kill our citizens and drop our buildings to influence it, I will become their worst enemy and the most ardent supporter of that policy they sought to influence.
  
  The same could be said of Japan's attack on Pear Harbor. Our foreign policy decision to take the side of China in the Sino Japanese war put the US at odds with Japan. This foreign policy decision led the US to lead an international movement to isolate Japan economically and force them to withdraw from China.
  
  We attempted to use economic force to cut off credit to the Japanese which would prevent them from being able to purchase petroleum. Oil being an absolutely vital economic and military commodity, as it is today, led the empire of Japan to launch a preemptive strike on our abilities to enforce such a policy.
  
  We can argue change in foreign policy internally. But if you want to argue that change should happen because of fear of foreign violence against this country you are foolish.
• believer

  

  eersandbeers;423789 wrote:The lands they are illegally occupying since the 1967 War that they started.
  
  The 1947 UN Partition Plan specifically lays out the lands given to Israel and Palestine. Israel currently has more than 200 illegal settlements in the West Bank and is trying to take over East Jerusalem.

  
  Doesn't hold water. One could argue that prior to the 1947 UN Partition Plan the entire region was Palestine. Do the Arabs who live there even recognize the UN Partition Plan? No is the answer.
  
  So we could take your argument and take it a step further. Why shouldn't Israel give back ALL of the land? For the sake of argument, who is the UN? Who and what gives them the authority to nation build? How would we feel if the UN stepped in and partitioned New Mexico and gave it to the Mexican illegal immigrants?
  
  My point is the UN Partition Plan gave Israel statehood but as Ptown mentioned earlier it's NOT a cut & dry, here are the definite borders, here is your land and here is theirs proposition.
  
  Plus the Arabs stupidly launched attacks against Israel a few times in the past and the Israelis kicked their asses. To the victors go the spoils. And to all you appeasers out there spare me the "but it ain't fair" argument. Life isn't fair and neither is international politics.
  
  The Israeli government may not be approaching this issue even-handedly but there are historical reasons for their in-your-face approach to dealing with the Palestinian issue. They are surrounded by proactive enemies who have been quite vocal about their plans to wipe Israel off the map.