Bush/Rumsfeld:The Worst

• Elliot Stabler

  troop decision ever
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
  
  This has cost the United states 100's of millions of dollars and thousands of lives.
  
  How can anyone agree with this
• slide22

  Worst decision ever?
  
  FYI at one point there were over 500,000 Americans in Vietnam, almost 60,000 died, and in 1967-1968 they were being killed at close to 1,000 a month. At its peak there were around 150,000 troops in Iraq, with around 4,500 dead.
  
  I'll say Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara's decision was 100 times worse than Bush's. But props for finding more ways to bash Bush.
• slide22

  One more thing, the senate had to APPROVE military action against Iraq.
  
  I agree w/ CC.
  
  Epic fail
• Elliot Stabler

  ^^^
  
  Not really
  
  slide,we were in Vietnam to fight communisum. We wern't there because of a lie
  
  What the hell were/are we in Iraq for???
  
  After they got Saddam,we should have gotten the hell out,but the Republicans got a hard-on and wanted to play war
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Elliot Stabler wrote: After they got Saddam,we should have gotten the hell out,but the Republicans got a hard-on and wanted to play war

  Got pictures to prove this?
• Cleveland Buck

  

  CenterBHSFan wrote:

  Elliot Stabler wrote: After they got Saddam,we should have gotten the hell out,but the Republicans got a hard-on and wanted to play war

  Got pictures to prove this?

  posting schwantz pics are cause for an instant ban here at the freehuddle.
  
  keep it non-personsl- LJ
• Elliot Stabler

  You know it's the truth...
  
  Anytime someone says the word war,Republicans turn into Smiling Tom
• Elliot Stabler

  Cleveland Buck wrote:

  CenterBHSFan wrote:

  Elliot Stabler wrote: After they got Saddam,we should have gotten the hell out,but the Republicans got a hard-on and wanted to play war

  Got pictures to prove this?

  You know he does, but posting schwantz pics are cause for an instant ban here at the freehuddle.

  That hurts Cleveland.
  
  My sister gives me better insults
• CenterBHSFan

  

  ES,
  
  So, just for clarification, are you stating your opinion or facts?
• Elliot Stabler

  ccrunner609 wrote: Elliot....why are we in Afghanistan? Because we left to early and didnt build schools, government ect.....
  
  If we leave Iraq, the Iraq that all your democrats voted to go to war with, we will be back in 10 years cleaning it up and it will be worse.
  
  Just chill out and let things happen. It takes time.

  YOu mean like how Bush 41 left too early and didn't listen to Powell or Schwarzkopf??
  
  We've been in Iraq way,way too long and need to get the hell out
• Elliot Stabler

  CenterBHSFan wrote: ES,
  
  So, just for clarification, are you stating your opinion or facts?

  Opinion...which you of course will disagree with by saying that all us Democrats are weak and can't win a war
• slide22

  So fighting communism in a country that no one cares about is more important than removing a authoritarian dictator in a country no one cares about? I agree the invasion was based on false information and shouldn't have happened, but it 7 YEARS later,the country is stable, and Saddam is dead. 40 years later, Vietnam is still the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. 60,000 >>>> 4,500. Not to disrespect anyone who served in Vietnam, but those 60,000 died for a lost cause. Atleast Iraq showed some sort of victory.
  
  And you don't want to bring up warmongering between democrats and republicans.
  Lets look at the major wars of the 20th century...
  
  LBJ - Democrat
  Harry Truman (Korea) - Democrat
  FDR(although justified) - Democrat
  Woodrow Wilson - Democrat
• Elliot Stabler

  Really...if war is over...
  
  Then why the hell do we still have 135,000 soliders and why are we still have brave men and women dieing every damn day????
• Elliot Stabler

  slide22 wrote: So fighting communism in a country that no one cares about is more important than removing a authoritarian dictator in a country no one cares about? I agree the invasion was based on false information and shouldn't have happened, but it 7 YEARS later,the country is stable, and Saddam is dead. 40 years later, Vietnam is still the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. 60,000 >>>> 4,500. Not to disrespect anyone who served in Vietnam, but those 60,000 died for a lost cause. Atleast Iraq showed some sort of victory.
  
  And you don't want to bring up warmongering between democrats and republicans.
  Lets look at the major wars of the 20th century...
  
  LBJ - Democrat
  Harry Truman (Korea) - Democrat
  FDR(although justified) - Democrat
  Woodrow Wilson - Democrat

  Um.....
  
  I'm thinking you left out a HUGE player in the Vietnam war...
  
  Richard Nixon-Republican
  
  What was FDR's war?? Oh yea..WWII.which we got into because the Japs attacked on of our military bases.
  
  See,we had a reason to enter WWI,Korea,and Vietnam.
  
  Iraq,no such reason
• CenterBHSFan

  

  ES,
  
  Actually, you couldn't be more wrong, for a number of reasons. I'll give you some of my opinions, which to me are facts.
  
  1. I am a democrat, but a conservative. That doesn't make me a republican
  2. I believe that eventually, the democrats will give me a strong and competent candidate that I can feel comfortable to vote for.
  3. I didn't always agree with Bush, even though I voted for him. I think there was alot going on behind the scenes that we didn't/don't know about.
  4. I think Laura Bush has beady eyes and I don't like her sense of style, although I will grant her the fact that she acted appropriately and dressed like the First Lady that she was.
  5. I never really cared much for Rumsfeld and the sound of his voice sometimes drove me crazy.
  6. You forgot Cheney - see #5
  7. I really couldn't be happy with Bush during his last 4 years of his Presidency. But he's gone and I'm over it.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  Elliot Stabler wrote:

  ccrunner609 wrote: Elliot....why are we in Afghanistan? Because we left to early and didnt build schools, government ect.....
  
  If we leave Iraq, the Iraq that all your democrats voted to go to war with, we will be back in 10 years cleaning it up and it will be worse.
  
  Just chill out and let things happen. It takes time.

  YOu mean like how Bush 41 left too early and didn't listen to Powell or Schwarzkopf??
  
  We've been in Iraq way,way too long and need to get the hell out

  You really should do a little research before you spout off.
  
  The US left Iraq during the first Gulf War because it was the agreement of the allies in Desert Storm that once Kuwait was freed, the US go home. It would have angered the entire Arab coalition if the US had proceeded on to Baghdad and ousted Saddam.
  
  That was not part of the agreement.
• Elliot Stabler

  Make up your mind.
  
  Way to work into a bash againist Michelle Obama
  
  There is no way you can call yourself a Democrat and have voted for Bush or McCain
• Elliot Stabler

  Writerbuckeye wrote:

  Elliot Stabler wrote:

  ccrunner609 wrote: Elliot....why are we in Afghanistan? Because we left to early and didnt build schools, government ect.....
  
  If we leave Iraq, the Iraq that all your democrats voted to go to war with, we will be back in 10 years cleaning it up and it will be worse.
  
  Just chill out and let things happen. It takes time.

  YOu mean like how Bush 41 left too early and didn't listen to Powell or Schwarzkopf??
  
  We've been in Iraq way,way too long and need to get the hell out

  You really should do a little research before you spout off.
  
  The US left Iraq during the first Gulf War because it was the agreement of the allies in Desert Storm that once Kuwait was freed, the US go home. It would have angered the entire Arab coalition if the US had proceeded on to Baghdad and ousted Saddam.
  
  That was not part of the agreement.

  To hell with them.
  
  We should have gotten the little basterd then...then we wouldn;t have had to go into Iraq to finish the job Bush 41 was to scared to do
• CenterBHSFan

  

  Elliot Stabler wrote: Make up your mind.
  Way to work into a bash againist Michelle Obama
  There is no way you can call yourself a Democrat and have voted for Bush or McCain

  What are you meaning?
  
  I can be a democrat all my life but still vote away from party lines from time to time. What does that have to do with anything?
  I never bashed Michelle Obama and she wasn't even anybody I brought up.
  I posted what was on my mind, according to the topics that you created.
  I can have differing opinions on the same person. It's called thoughts and reasoning.
• majorspark

  

  Elliot Stabler wrote: Really...if war is over...
  
  Then why the hell do we still have 135,000 soliders and why are we still have brave men and women dieing every damn day????

  Your statement claiming we have soldiers dieing every day in Iraq is false. We had (1) hostile death to date in Nov. (2) in Oct. (4) in Sep. and (4) in Aug. We had more hostile deaths at Fort Hood this month than the last 4 months in Iraq.
  Filter nationality - USA. Filter fatality type - Hostile
  http://www.icasualties.org/Iraq/ByMonth.aspx
  
  The USA currently has 57,000 troops stationed in Germany, 33,000 in Japan, 10,000 in Great Britain, and 10,000 in Italy. I was not aware that WWII was still being fought.
  
  The USA also has 27,000 troops stationed in South Korea. No final peace. No active fighting.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deployments_of_the_United_States_Military
• slide22

  Just ignore him. He's gonna try to blame Bush for all of his homeboy's problems next.
• believer

  

  majorspark wrote:Your statement claiming we have soldiers dieing every day in Iraq is false. We had (1) hostile death to date in Nov. (2) in Oct. (4) in Sep. and (4) in Aug. We had more hostile deaths at Fort Hood this month than the last 4 months in Iraq.
  Filter nationality - USA. Filter fatality type - Hostile
  http://www.icasualties.org/Iraq/ByMonth.aspx
  
  The USA currently has 57,000 troops stationed in Germany, 33,000 in Japan, 10,000 in Great Britain, and 10,000 in Italy. I was not aware that WWII was still being fought.
  
  The USA also has 27,000 troops stationed in South Korea. No final peace. No active fighting.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deployments_of_the_United_States_Military

  I'm telling you, when you use facts and logic when arguing with leftists, they implode. Be very, very careful. We don't want the FREEHuddle mods to have to clean-up the mess!
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Elliot Stabler wrote: troop decision ever
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
  
  This has cost the United states 100's of millions of dollars and thousands of lives.
  
  How can anyone agree with this

  Hundreds of millions to keep us safe>hundreds of billions to make sure a bum can get a flu shot.
• derek bomar

  

  SQ_Crazies wrote:

  Elliot Stabler wrote: troop decision ever
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
  
  This has cost the United states 100's of millions of dollars and thousands of lives.
  
  How can anyone agree with this

  Hundreds of millions to keep us safe>hundreds of billions to make sure a bum can get a flu shot.

  you think the war in Iraq has kept us safe? that's rich
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Wait, wait...regardless of that, the real point was the money. It's hilarious that a liberal could post something about the war in Iraq and cite the money it costs but then support anything and everything Obama does. Now that is rich.