Ohio Chatter DEV

unique_67

In no way does this mean a final bill for healthcare is a certainty, but the train is slowly moving forward. And, for those of us who believe the present system we have is in need of repair/change, this is a positive piece of news.

Motion to begin Senate floor debate on health reform likely to pass
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/21/AR2009112101380.html

Elliot Stabler

Don't worry...

It'll pass the Senate before New Year's day

Cleveland Buck

In no way does this mean a final bill for healthcare is a certainty

Yes, it does. They only need 51 votes to pass it after they throw everything back in that they took out in order to get the 60 votes for cloture.

Cleveland Buck

Everyone had better go buy some gold while people will still take money in exchange for it.

unique_67

Cleveland Buck wrote:
In no way does this mean a final bill for healthcare is a certainty
Yes, it does. They only need 51 votes to pass it after they throw everything back in that they took out in order to get the 60 votes for cloture.

I hope you are correct, and provided the motion does pass tonight when The Senate votes, that means the creation of an actual bill which can pass in BOTH the House and Senate becomes a reality.

believer

The Feds have done such a wonderful job with Social Security and Medicare why wouldn't we want them to fix health care? :dodgy:

tk421

It's nice that they are hurrying the vote on this bill when it won't even come into effect until 2013 or so. Man, I can feel the concern for our fellow Americans who are dieing by the bucket full without insurance. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Elliot Stabler

ccrunner609 wrote: The DEms will be signing off and losing more then 1/2 their seats and the presidency when they do.

You keep believing that my friend

tk421

Elliot Stabler wrote:
ccrunner609 wrote: The DEms will be signing off and losing more then 1/2 their seats and the presidency when they do.
You keep believing that my friend

Just like you keep believing that we need this bill and it will actually lower the deficit.

Elliot Stabler

tk421 wrote:
Elliot Stabler wrote:
ccrunner609 wrote: The DEms will be signing off and losing more then 1/2 their seats and the presidency when they do.
You keep believing that my friend
Just like you keep believing that we need this bill and it will actually lower the deficit.

We do...and it will

bman618

This is one of the worst bills in American history. And as everyone knows government always underestimates cost. Not to mention Waxman has said this is just the beginning and opens the road for more government health care programs.

Hopefully some of the states will consider nullification.

tk421

Yeah, right. And I'm going to win the lottery.

Cleveland Buck

When the CBO scores these bills they do not take into account future repercussions, like the number of people who will be forced on the public option. Using history as a guide, we can be sure that this will cost at least 5-10 times what they are projecting. So once they add everything back in the bill in conference it will be rescored at like $1.3 trillion or so, and if you multiply that by ten you have a $13 trillion health care bill on top of a $12 trillion debt and annual deficits, not including the health care debacle, of a couple trillion per year. Yeah, this country stands a chance of surviving that.

2trap_4ever

tk421 wrote:
Elliot Stabler wrote:
ccrunner609 wrote: The DEms will be signing off and losing more then 1/2 their seats and the presidency when they do.
You keep believing that my friend
Just like you keep believing that we need this bill and it will actually lower the deficit.

Remember this is from the party whose President told us that his stimulus needed to be passed so unemployment wouldn't go about 8 percent. Hows that working out:shy:, also how is all this hope and change working for America, we have a president that has turned his back on the troops, who is creating debt that can't be imagined, and wants to turn this country into some kind of crappy copy of a Western Europe country.

Elliot Stabler

2trap_4ever wrote:
tk421 wrote:
Elliot Stabler wrote:
ccrunner609 wrote: The DEms will be signing off and losing more then 1/2 their seats and the presidency when they do.
You keep believing that my friend
Just like you keep believing that we need this bill and it will actually lower the deficit.
we have a president that has turned his back on the troops,.

This is the kinda bullshit that pisses me off.

Please explain to me how in the hell he has turned his back on the troops??

YOu can't because he hasn't

Turn off Rush and Hannity and start thinking for yourself

CenterBHSFan

Look. The democrats in power right now are all working on the final goal of having a single payer government health insurance.
Obama - check
Emmanuel - check
Barney FRank - check

I mean, youtube is just full of this stuff. When you think "single payer" think social security. Just imagine one big ole social security health insurance program. And then think about how far in debt that S.S. is.

But hey, we can all have that warmy feeling inside and that's what counts, right?

:-/ :huh:

Cleveland Buck

It's not even funny. No American for a long time (if ever again) will ever see the standard of living we have all known our whole lives.

Elliot Stabler

I've said this for years and I'll say it again....

Republicans would rather spit on a poor/disadvantaged person than help them

Altor

That's funny, because studies have shown that Republicans make more charitable donations than Democrats.

LJ

Altor wrote: That's funny, because studies have shown that Republicans make more charitable donations than Democrats.

read the rulles... gotta source it

spartan

Altor wrote: That's funny, because studies have shown that Republicans make more charitable donations than Democrats.

http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

Cleveland Buck

Elliot Stabler wrote: I've said this for years and I'll say it again....

Republicans would rather spit on a poor/disadvantaged person than help them

And democrats want everyone to be poor/disadvantaged so that life is fair.

Altor

LJ wrote:
Altor wrote: That's funny, because studies have shown that Republicans make more charitable donations than Democrats.
read the rulles... gotta source it

Seriously? He makes a statement like that and you ask me to source it?

Fine.

http://www.google.com/search?q=republicans+donate+more+to+charity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

CenterBHSFan

Here's some numbers on last years VP candidates (Biden and Palin)

Palin, the running mate of presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), and her husband Todd reported meager earnings from 2006 and 2007, at least by presidential-politics standards.

In 2006, the Palins paid $11,944 in taxes on $127,869 in income. In 2007, they paid $24,738 on $166,080.

But in 2006, they donated $4,880 to charity, and in 2007, they donated $3,325.

By contrast, Biden (D-Del.), Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's running mate, has donated a total of $3,690 since 1998 despite his higher Senate salary, according to an analysis posted by National Review.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/10/021684.php

LJ

Altor wrote:
LJ wrote:
Altor wrote: That's funny, because studies have shown that Republicans make more charitable donations than Democrats.
read the rulles... gotta source it
Seriously? He makes a statement like that and you ask me to source it?

Fine.

http://www.google.com/search?q=republicans+donate+more+to+charity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

He posted an opinion, you named a study. He didn't present is opinion as a fact.