Global Warming research facility hacked, condemning data taken...Al Gore Cancelling Speaking Dates
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gutjmog wrote:
Someone who understands the Scientific Method and where the burden of proof lies.
If only our politicians could understand this.
Yeah, nevermind that often the inability to conclusively prove something is entirely consistent with there being no relationship whatsoever. -
Writerbuckeye
Aside from the other planets also warming, there's that pesky data that shows our Earth was just as warm or warmer about a thousand years ago.
But of course, this is all man's fault, you know. -
CenterBHSFan
This ties in with your statements, very well!jmog wrote:My favorite part of the Copenhagen conference this week is they are all arriving in private jets and limos.
Then you have myself who doesn't believe in the hogwash of man made GW, but does believe in conservation of resources and I drive around in a Ford Focus getting 35+ MPG.
The ones who are GW activist flying in private jets and arriving in limos, me, the scientist who calls man made GW hogwash drives and economy car...PRICELESS.
House #1 A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than ! the ave rage American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.
House #2 Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds ; geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer! The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.
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HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville , Tennessee ; it is the abode of the "environmentalist" Al Gore;
HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas ; it is the residence the of the President of the United States , George W. Bush.
An "inconvenient truth".
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_tale_two_houses.htm
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp -
believer
^^^Go figure! -
jmog
Apparently you are quick with a 1 liner, but when asked serious questions that dispute your belief, you seem to disappear.derek bomar wrote:
umm...2+2=6 apparently to you
So, how do you explain the fact that all planets in our solar system are heating up right along with the Earth? Is it man made CO2 emissions there too?
How do you explain the fact that the radiation output from the sun coincides perfectly with our warming/cooling trends since we've been able to measure such data?
Mars has gained 0.5C since the 70s and its threatening its polar regions as well. Guess how much we've gained since the 70s? That's right, about 0.5C. Oh yeah, and Mars has over 90% CO2 atmosphere, ours is 0.038% CO2. Basically Mars has 25 times more CO2 on a percentage basis than Earth does, and its temperature is rising at the same pace as Earths.
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QuakerOatsttae8286 wrote: They don't care. The EPA just declared "greenhouse gases" a public health threat this week. Now they can do the ol' back door routine and try to shove Cap & Tax down our throats without actually passing the bill. Asked about the impact of leaked e-mails between scientists surrounding the "climategate" scandal, EPA administrator Lisa Jackson said evidence of global warming comes from a much wider pool of research after "decades of sound, peer-reviewed" scientific data.
Unbelievable.
'Unbelievable' is right. The march to dismantle capitalism and any semblence of free markets by these radicals is well underway. Perhaps the only way to defeat them now is to elect a conservative majority in congress next year and defund the EPA, immediately. We are at the tipping point.
Radical environmentalism: a mental disorder, and the greatest threat to liberty in the world today. -
QuakerOatsThe fraud and criminality emanating from the climate hoax brigade ought to be prosecuted.
Instead we have radicals in power like Obama and his climate czar who say to hell with the facts and honest debate.
Time to rise up.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/4369/Hurricane-Expert-Rips-Climate-Fears-There-has-been-an-unrelenting-quarter-century-of-onesided-indoctrination
http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2009/12/09/weve_been_had -
Writerbuckeye
Don't expect to see this story making the rounds of the MSM, either. However, as more of these examples pile on, it WILL eventually go viral on the Internet to the point it cannot be (all but) ignored, anymore. May still take a while, though.
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ernest_t_bass
Al Gore invented the internet, so he can take them away!Writerbuckeye wrote:Don't expect to see this story making the rounds of the MSM, either. However, as more of these examples pile on, it WILL eventually go viral on the Internet to the point it cannot be (all but) ignored, anymore. May still take a while, though.
The age old comment, "I brought you into this world, I can take you out just as easy!" -
Mr. 300
Al Gore and the democrat party, two of the reasons why were are in this situation today. -
jmogWhat a surprise, they only used a portion of the data that agreed with their theory...wow, who would have thought they had an agenda?
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alwaysafanCome on, any one should have seen this from a mile away. Real scientists and educated skeptics do not go flying around the world and hitting the cocktail circuit once they make a "finding". "Findings" are overturned everyday based on new information and analysis. Of course, when you have big money and reputation on the line, this new information and analysis (or flat out lying in the first place) somehow gets swept under the rug.
Moral? Politicians are politicians, not scientists. -
Writerbuckeye
And there are many scientists who realize that playing politics can be very, very (financially) rewarding.alwaysafan wrote: Come on, any one should have seen this from a mile away. Real scientists and educated skeptics do not go flying around the world and hitting the cocktail circuit once they make a "finding". "Findings" are overturned everyday based on new information and analysis. Of course, when you have big money and reputation on the line, this new information and analysis (or flat out lying in the first place) somehow gets swept under the rug.
Moral? Politicians are politicians, not scientists. -
believer
^^^DING DING DING DING and you are our Grand Prize winner!
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Pick6
Al Gore wants you to think:
The rising levels of Co2 in the atmosphere are causing the Earth to warm.
In reality..
The rising temperature in the atmosphere is creating higher levels of Co2.
Humans contribute to something like 0.01% of global warming/climate change/whatever the hell they call it anymore. -
believer
Yes but that's statistically significant and as a citizen of a developed country you should feel guilty for your cozy life-style.Pick6 wrote: Al Gore wants you to think:
The rising levels of Co2 in the atmosphere are causing the Earth to warm.
In reality..
The rising temperature in the atmosphere is creating higher levels of Co2.
Humans contribute to something like 0.01% of global warming/climate change/whatever the hell they call it anymore.
Therefore, since you are contributing in a small, small way to global warming/climate change/whatever, you deserve to be taxed for your greed so we can redistribute your greed to less fortunate global socialists.
In fact, per Joe Biden and Al Gore you should feel it is your patriotic duty to pay your carbon tax.
Can you see how that works now? -
Writerbuckeye
Lord but I love Mark Steyn. So eloquent -- so accurate.
Compliments of National Review Online:
Climate Hypocrites
Island nations underwater, and offsetting princes.
By Mark Steyn
The best summation of the U.N. climate circus in Denmark comes from Andrew Bolt of Australia’s Herald Sun: “Nothing is real in Copenhagen — not the temperature record, not the predictions, not the agenda, not the ‘solution.’”
Just so. Reuters, for example, carried a moving account of the speech by Ian Fry, lead negotiator for Tuvalu, the beleaguered Pacific island nation soon to be underwater because of a planet-devastating combination of your SUV and unsustainable bovine flatulence from Vermont farms. “The fate of my country rests in your hands,” Fry told the meeting. “I make this as a strong and impassioned plea. . . . I woke this morning and I was crying and that was not easy for a grown man to admit,” he continued, “his voice choking with emotion,” in the Reuters reporter’s words. Who could fail to be moved?
My country, ’tis of thee
Sweet land near rising sea
Of thee I choke!
Alas, nowhere in this emotionally harrowing dispatch was there room to mention that Ian Fry’s country is not Tuvalu but Australia, where he lives relatively safe from rising sea levels, given that he’s a hundred miles inland. A career doom-monger, he’s resided in Queanbeyan, New South Wales, for over a decade while working his way, in the revealing phrase of his neighbor Michelle Ormay, to being “very high up in climate change.” As to whether the emotion-choked lachrymose pleader has ever lived in “his” endangered country of Tuvalu, his wife told Samantha Maiden of The Australian that she would “rather not comment.” Like his fellow Copenhagen delegate Brad Pitt, Ian Fry is an actor: He’s not a Tuvaluan, but he plays one on the world stage.
Whether he’s an Aussie or a Tuvaluan, Fry’s future king is Welsh, since under the British Commonwealth’s environmentally responsible king-share program, the Prince of Wales is simultaneously heir to the thrones of Britain, Australian, Tuvalu, and a bunch of other countries. His Royal Highness was also in Copenhagen last week, telling delegates that there were now only seven years left to save the planet. Prince Charles is so famously concerned about the environment that he’s known as the Green Prince. Just for the record, his annual carbon footprint is 2,601 tons. The carbon footprint of an average Briton (i.e., all those wasteful, consumerist, environmentally unsustainable deadbeats) is 11 tons. To get him to Copenhagen to deliver his speech, His Highness was flown in by one of the Royal Air Force’s fleet of VIP jets from the Royal Squadron. Total carbon emissions: 6.4 tons. In other words, the Green Prince used up seven months’ of an average Brit’s annual carbon footprint on one short flight to give one mediocre speech of alarmist boilerplate.
But relax, it’s all cool, because he offsets! According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the prince will be investing in exciting new green initiatives. “Investing” as in “using his own money,” you mean? Not exactly. Apparently, it will be taxpayers’ money. So he’ll “offset” the cost of using up seven months of an average peasant’s carbon footprint on one flight by taking the peasant’s money and tossing it down some sinkhole. No wonder he feels so virtuous. Oh, don’t worry, though. He does have to pay a personal penalty for the sin of flying by private jet: 70 pounds. Which is the cost of about six new trees, or rather less than the bill for parking at Heathrow would have been.
So just to recap: The Prince of Wales, a man who has never drawn his own curtains, ramps up a carbon footprint of 2,601 tons while telling us that Western capitalist excess is destroying the planet. Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, the railroad engineer who heads the International Panel on Climate Change and has demanded that “hefty aviation taxes should be introduced to deter people from flying,” flew 443,226 miles on “IPCC business” in the year and a half before the Copenhagen summit. And Al Gore is a carbon billionaire: He makes more money buying offsets from himself than his dad did from investing in Occidental Petroleum.
All of the above are, as that ersatz Tuvaluan delegate’s neighbor would say, “very high up in climate change.” But what about all the non-high-ups? Not just the low-level toadies like Associated Press “science” reporter Seth Borenstein, who dutifully pooh-poohed the idea that the leaked Climategate e-mails were of any significance and, for his pains, was rewarded by having to stand in line with thousands of other no-name warm-mongers for seven hours in the freezing streets of Copenhagen. All because the IPCC accredited 45,000 delegates to a space that accommodates 15,000 — but don’t worry, when it comes to recalibrating the planet’s climate, I’m sure they’ll run the numbers more carefully.
But forget Borenstein and other hangers-on. Even making allowances for the stupidity of youthful idealism, the protesters in the streets of Copenhagen seem especially obtuse. Far from sticking it to the Man, they’re cheerleading for the biggest Man of all: They’re supporting a new globalized feudalism in which Prince Charles, Prince Al, Prince Rajendra, and others “very high up in climate change” jet around the world at public expense telling the rest of us we need to stay put. A British parliamentarian recently proposed that everyone be issued with an annual “carbon allowance” that would be drawn down every time he booked a flight, or filled up his car, or bought a washer and dryer instead of beating his laundry on the rocks down by the river with the village women every week. You think the Prince of Wales or any other member of the new global elite will be subject to that “allowance”?
If you’re young and you fall for this, you’re a sap. Indeed, you’re oozing so much sap the settled scientists should be measuring your tree rings. Remember that story a couple of weeks ago about how Danish prostitutes were offering free sex to Copenhagen delegates for the duration of the conference? I initially assumed it was just an amusing marketing cash-in by savvy Nordic strumpets. But no, the local “sex workers’ union” Sexarbejdernes Interesseorganisation was responding to the municipal government’s campaign to discourage attendees from partaking of prostitutes. The City of Copenhagen distributed cards to every hotel room showing a lady of the evening at a seedy street corner over the slogan “BE SUSTAINABLE: Don’t Buy Sex.”
“Be sustainable”? Prostitution happens to be legal in Copenhagen, and the “sex workers” were understandably peeved at being lumped into the same category of planet-wreckers as Big Oil, car manufacturers, travel agents, and other notorious pariahs. So Big Sex decided they weren’t going to take it lying down. Yet, in an odd way, that municipal postcard gets to the heart of what’s going on: Government can — and will — use a “sustainable” environment as a pretext for anything that tickles its fancy. All ambitious projects — Communism, the new Caliphate — have global ambitions, but, when the globe itself is the cover for those ambitions, freeborn citizens should beware. Nico Little, a Canadian lefty at the Rabble website, distilled the logic into a single headline:
“Hookers Are Killing Polar Bears And Now You Can’t Water Your Lawn.”
Write that down. And next time the Prince of Wales, Al Gore, Dr. Pachauri, or the delegation from Tuvalu give an “impassioned” speech, keep it handy as a useful précis.
— Mark Steyn, a National Review columnist, is author of America Alone. © 2009 Mark Steyn
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTYwY2E3OTc0ZGZhZTExY2U4MjlhNWVmNjZlNDMyODQ= -
CenterBHSFan
Mark Steyn - will NEVER be invited to high tea at Balmoral Castle now!
Yeah, I think it's kinda funny also that the "higher ups" are not practicing what they're preaching/ -
believer
Standard policy for Al Gore for example. The man's a loon, a liar, and a hypocrite of epic fail proportion.CenterBHSFan wrote: Mark Steyn - will NEVER be invited to high tea at Balmoral Castle now!
Yeah, I think it's kinda funny also that the "higher ups" are not practicing what they're preaching/ -
Writerbuckeye
Here is another piece that does the classic "follow the money" look at AGW from Hot Air http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/20/follow-the-money-ipccagw-edition/:
Follow the money, IPCC/AGW edition
posted at 11:00 am on December 20, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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For scientists to remain credible, they have to have a certain detachment from their work. At the very least, they have to have no vested interests in any particular outcome, or they risk biasing their work to produce outcomes favorable to themselves. On anthropogenic global warming, we already have advocates like Al Gore who stand to make billions of dollars by convincing governments to impose cap-and-trade systems that will rely on their businesses for the service — but advocates aren’t scientists. However, the Telegraph reports today that Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and who is considered the top climate scientist in the world, has a wide portfolio of business interests that rely on AGW hysteria:
No one in the world exercised more influence on the events leading up to the Copenhagen conference on global warming than Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and mastermind of its latest report in 2007.
Although Dr Pachauri is often presented as a scientist (he was even once described by the BBC as “the world’s top climate scientist”), as a former railway engineer with a PhD in economics he has no qualifications in climate science at all.
What has also almost entirely escaped attention, however, is how Dr Pachauri has established an astonishing worldwide portfolio of business interests with bodies which have been investing billions of dollars in organisations dependent on the IPCC’s policy recommendations.
These outfits include banks, oil and energy companies and investment funds heavily involved in ‘carbon trading’ and ‘sustainable technologies’, which together make up the fastest-growing commodity market in the world, estimated soon to be worth trillions of dollars a year.
Today, in addition to his role as chairman of the IPCC, Dr Pachauri occupies more than a score of such posts, acting as director or adviser to many of the bodies which play a leading role in what has become known as the international ‘climate industry’.
It is remarkable how only very recently has the staggering scale of Dr Pachauri’s links to so many of these concerns come to light, inevitably raising questions as to how the world’s leading ‘climate official’ can also be personally involved in so many organisations which stand to benefit from the IPCC’s recommendations.
The Telegraph goes into excruciating detail in uncovering Pachauri’s monetary interests in maintaining AGW hysteria. The extensive reach that Pachauri has created calls into question both his credentials and his motives. Why did the UN pick a former railway engineer with no background in climate science to lead its effort on AGW? Clearly, Pachauri was selected for his influence rather than his scientific expertise.
Climategate exposed the chicanery of AGW science at East Anglia CRU, including the attempts to hide contradictory data and smear critics. This exposes a critical conflict of interest in the UN effort built on the CRU’s data. In that sense, Pachauri might be the perfect pick to lead the effort. It’s all about economics, not the climate or science at all. It’s an excuse to impose a massive transfer of wealth from developed nations to Third World dictatorships, and people like Pachauri have positioned themselves to get rich on the transactions.
