"Nobody Is Winning In Afghanistan"--General McChrystal

• isadore

  I Wear Pants;452728 wrote:I see them as completely different types of deaths. The 9/11 victims I feel incredibly sad for them and their families.
  
  The soldiers I feel sad for their families but instead of as sad for the soldiers themselves (still feel sad) it's overruled by my gratitude for their service to our country.

  you mean like when you said that we were imperialist
  or when you said about their enemies that kill them with their IEDs and suicide bombers "So we have the right to just run roughshod over anyone and they are automatically the bad guys for using gorilla/brutal tactics that are their only real way to fight." Is that you showing your gratitude. Some gratitude.
• I Wear Pants

  So you think that the insurgents do not feel like their only effective way to fight is through guerrilla tactics and showcases of brutality? I think that if they had other ways to hurt us they would. But they think they don't. Doesn't make it right and I have always said it doesn't make it right. You don't have to agree with someone to understand their thinking.
• isadore

  I Wear Pants;452741 wrote:So you think that the insurgents do not feel like their only effective way to fight is through guerrilla tactics and showcases of brutality? I think that if they had other ways to hurt us they would. But they think they don't. Doesn't make it right and I have always said it doesn't make it right. You don't have to agree with someone to understand their thinking.

  
  they are scum and deserve to die. But you of course say they are not necessarily bad guys. they are not necessarily bad guys for killing American service people. they are not necessarily bad guys for setting off that IED that killed American soldiers, they are not necessarily bad guys for using that suicide bomber to kill American marines who are there for us. And you say you have gratitude toward our troops. right.
• I Wear Pants

  So you don't think there are any legitimate reasons for someone to want to cause harm to America?
• isadore

  I think we are a force for good in this world and you dont
  And as can be seen, you consider to justify the killers of Americans.
  They are scum.
  Why dont you tell your military friends what great guys their wantbe killers are.
• isadore

  legitimate reasons to attack America
  gosh you are supplying excuses for the 9/11 attack
  or is it just ok to kill our soldiers because of those legitimate reasons.
  Baathist legitimate reasons
  Al Queda legitimate reasons
  Taliban legitimate reasons
• I Wear Pants

  isadore;452752 wrote:I think we are a force for good in this world and you dont
  And as can be seen, you consider to justify the killers of Americans.
  They are scum.
  Why dont you tell your military friends what great guys their wantbe killers are.

  I have told them that I don't think much of the current conflicts. None of them have been as closed minded as you in labeling me as anti-American. It's almost like you're afraid of anyone with a different opinion.
  
  As for legitimizing things. I have many times stated that the 9/11 attacks were absolutely abhorrent. You refuse to acknowledge that if some country blew your town up and killed your relatives (even if they mistakenly thought your families home was a target) in the name of good that you might be pretty damned mad at them.
• isadore

  as usual you weasel around
  do you tell them that the people that are going to kill them arent such bad guys. And their vicious tactics are just what they have to use. Give them that excuse for the suicide bomber that kills their friends and cripples them. to you he is not such a bad guy.
  To women, to shia, to kurds, to hartare, to non pashtuns, to non fundamentalists, to non Baathist, we liberated them.
  obviously not to you, but to me, people who kill Americans are scum.
• Heretic

  

  isadore;452760 wrote:as usual you weasel around
  do you tell them that the people that are going to kill them arent such bad guys. And their vicious tactics are just what they have to use. Give them that excuse for the suicide bomber that kills their friends and cripples them. to you he is not such a bad guy.
  To women, to shia, to kurds, to hartare, to non pashtuns, to non fundamentalists, to non Baathist, we liberated them.
  obviously not to you, but to me, people who kill Americans are scum.

  
  Well, since he never said on this forum those people "aren(')t such bad guys", I'd guess he didn't to other people he talked to. That's just one of your slippery slope arguments. The closest to a weasel here is you, since you're the one who distorts things others say to "prove" whatever rant you're going on at the time.
• isadore

  Heretic;452764 wrote:Well, since he never said on this forum those people "aren(')t such bad guys", I'd guess he didn't to other people he talked to. That's just one of your slippery slope arguments. The closest to a weasel here is you, since you're the one who distorts things others say to "prove" whatever rant you're going on at the time.

  
  I know reading comprehension might not be your best skill but....
  When your little cohort says that using "gorilla" tactics against Americans does not necessarily make you a bad guy, that is what it means. Some of these killers of our troops meet IWPs standard of ok kind of guys.
• I Wear Pants

  They meet my standard of "confused and very angry" type of guys. Especially if their family members have been hurt or killed by Americans. This doesn't apply to all or even most of the insurgents but I'm sure there are those that it does. You don't have to be a demon to try to hurt those that hurt you, even if those that hurt you did it on accident and while trying to do the right thing.
  
  You also seem to be fond of making sure to use my misspelling of the word "guerrilla" as if it makes me look like an idiot or something. Maybe you should also point out that I use comma splices way too often. That will show everyone what a dolt I am!
• isadore

  I Wear Pants;452771 wrote:They meet my standard of "confused and very angry" type of guys. Especially if their family members have been hurt or killed by Americans. This doesn't apply to all or even most of the insurgents but I'm sure there are those that it does. You don't have to be a demon to try to hurt those that hurt you, even if those that hurt you did it on accident and while trying to do the right thing.
  
  You also seem to be fond of making sure to use my misspelling of the word "guerrilla" as if it makes me look like an idiot or something. Maybe you should also point out that I use comma splices way too often. That will show everyone what a dolt I am!

  
  everyone makes spelling mistakes, so you are an informer, you do provide sympathy for our enemies, but I never said you were a dolt.
• I Wear Pants

  I'm an informer? What the hell is that supposed to mean?
  
  Most and likely damn near all of our enemies are evil douche bags. But most isn't all. Is it? That's pretty much my point. You think it is impossible to want to harm Americans without being some evil scum. I think it is possible to want to do so and not be evil but instead misguided and blinded by anger/sadness or influenced by those around you.
  
  Everyone that does a bad deed is not necessarily a bad person. Doesn't make the deed any more right but it's still true.
• isadore

  maybe you can stand there next to those killed and wounded American and say hey you got it from a nice guy who was just a little confused. Killing, crippling, wounding an American service person defines them as evil for me. Obviously killing our soldiers does not necessarily make them evil to you.
  Widen your vocabulary and find out what an informer is.
  Because you are one. And it is good to know yourself for better or worse.
• I Wear Pants

  I know what an informer is I just don't see how I am one.
  
  Who am I informing of what? And are they going to pay me?
  
  I think it is you who does not know what an informer is.
• isadore

  I Wear Pants;452784 wrote:I know what an informer is I just don't see how I am one.
  
  Who am I informing of what? And are they going to pay me?
  
  I think it is you who does not know what an informer is.

  
  lol, you informed on me. dont worry your buddy will probably take alot of this down and give me more points toward banning. You have done your work well. Your reward in the future will be my temporary or permanent banning.
• ts1227

  

  You won't have a thing done to you tomorrow. You haven't done anything wrong since the last time you got nailed... talking out your ass in itself isn't breaking a rule
• isadore

  ts1227;452789 wrote:You won't have a thing done to you tomorrow. You haven't done anything wrong since the last time you got nailed... talking out your ass in itself isn't breaking a rule

  wrong, i got points up there already from today.
  But you guys have got me twice before, go for the trifecta.
• isadore

  got one at 1:18 PM
  got another at 4:57 PM
  this stuff has got to be good for some more.
• ts1227

  

  isadore;452790 wrote:wrong, i got points up there already from today.
  But you guys have got me twice before, go for the trifecta.

  
  LOL. I read the posts that got you points, you haven't gone that far since then.
  As I said, talking out of your ass in itself does not break a rule.
• isadore

  i have been stating my opinions just the same on this thread as I did when I got the points.
• ts1227

  

  isadore;452793 wrote:i have been stating my opinions just the same on this thread as I did when I got the points.

  
  It's not worth my time nor my energy to explain the difference.
  
  I'm sure you'll spin it into me not having a valid argument and giving up (even though it's because I have to teach a course tomorrow and need sleep), so it's cool.
• isadore

  good night.
• isadore

  Two Taliban walk into a bar.
  They see a woman in a short dress and they say
  “Woman you insult the Prophet by dressing as a whore” they lop off her nose
  They see a man drinking at the bar and they say
  ‘”Unbeliever you insult the Prophet by drinking alcohol,” they cut off his hands
  They see the bartender holding a bottle of whiskey and they say
  “Infidel you insult the Prophet by serving this poison, they decapitate him
  They see I Wear Pants at the bar and they recognize him and say
  “Brother, thank you for telling everyone we are not such bad guys,” and they all sit around and drink goats milk.