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  • Belly35
    I look at the GDP chart and want to feel all warm and fuzzy but the other macro indicators do not foretell of massive recovery at all. The DOW continues to amaze at the buoyancy it continues to display but watch gold as its values continues up the graph for it is a very good indicator of economic growth or not. As it rises, which it is, it tells us investor are not investing in stocks due to fear and worry longer term so they move their investable monies into instruments like gold. I see nothing on the horizon to put a smile on my face about our economy. Unemployment is still high as it inflation. The FED is going to continue its "free /cheap" money policy, housing prices are not turning north, bankruptcies are still at fever pitch and oh yeah, the GOVERNMENT is the owner / controller of over fifty percent of the GDP generators in the nation. Feeling better yet? :@




    THE ECONOMIST website and subscript is a great form of information:
    http://www.economist.com/ I would suggest anyone in business take a look at it.......


    Curb your enthusiasm
    Apr 22nd 2010
    From The Economist print edition

    A welcome recovery—but an uneven one, with dangers both for sluggish Europe and bubbly emerging economies

    THERE is a whiff of exuberance around the world economy these days. Financial markets are buoyant, business confidence is rising and global growth seems increasingly robust. In its latest forecasts, released on April 21st, the IMF predicts that global output will grow by 4.2% this year on a purchasing-power basis, a full percentage point more than it foresaw six months ago. Other seers are even more optimistic, predicting growth of more than 4.5%—or close to the average pace of the boom years before the recession. The level of global output is now back to where it was before the downturn. And given the scale of the financial crisis, the recovery is surprisingly brisk. With global business investment accelerating and consumer spending strong, there is growing optimism that the recovery is becoming self-sustaining.
    Some of this optimism is justified. Just as financial stress worsened the recession, so healthier financial markets are now reinforcing the recovery. Higher asset prices have propped up consumer spending and narrower corporate bond spreads have eased firms’ borrowing costs. Economic recovery, in turn, has helped ease financial pain. The IMF has reduced its estimate of banks’ total losses from the crisis by $500 billion, to $2.3 trillion, two-thirds of which has already been written off.
    The trouble is that the good fortune has not been shared equally. The healthy pace of global growth belies differences between regions that are big and are getting bigger. Historically, deeper recessions are followed by stronger recoveries. But this time around countries that were least affected by the recession (primarily the largest emerging economies) are seeing the fastest acceleration. China’s economy is now growing at double-digit rates. The IMF expects India’s GDP to increase by almost 9% this year. Some forecasters reckon that Brazil’s growth rate could reach 7%, which would be its fastest pace in a quarter of a century. In contrast, countries where the downturn was deepest have the weakest recoveries. Output fell further in Britain and the euro area than it did in America. Yet the IMF expects output growth of only 1% in the euro zone and 1.3% in Britain this year, compared with more than 3% in America.
    One reason for this multi-speed recovery is that the financial crisis was largely confined to the rich world, and recoveries after such crises tend to be slow. But the gap between American and European growth rates means that this cannot be the only explanation. The structure of finance matters (Europe is more dependent on banks), as does an economy’s flexibility (productivity has soared in America, but it has slumped in Europe). Another factor is differences in the scope for, and effectiveness of, policy stimulus. Thanks to their low debt levels, many big emerging economies used fiscal and monetary stimulus vigorously and effectively. In America the Federal Reserve opened the spigots, and the dollar’s reserve-currency status gives the country unusual fiscal latitude. In the euro zone, in contrast, individual countries lack an independent monetary policy. And with high debt levels, many are running out of fiscal room even as their economies remain weak.

    The dangers of getting too excited
    The danger is that these growth gaps will widen rather than narrow. In Europe output could slow as sovereign debt fears spread beyond Greece, forcing the likes of Portugal (see article) to tighten fiscal policy faster. Big emerging economies, which have little or no spare capacity and which are growing at a faster pace than is sustainable, could easily overheat, risking inflation and asset bubbles. A multi-speed global recovery is, unfortunately, less stable than a synchronized one, not least because the policy combination that makes sense for the rich world—gradually tighter fiscal policy and a prolonged period of cheap money—will encourage more capital to flow to emerging economies in search of higher yields, and add to their risk of overheating. Nonetheless, both sets of policymakers can do more to prevent the more extreme outcomes.
    Rich economies where public debt burdens are soaring urgently need bold and credible plans for medium-term deficit-reduction. They also need supply-side measures that boost economic growth, from tax reform (in America) to freer job markets (in Europe). To prevent bubbles forming as a result of lopsided global growth, emerging economies need to use deft monetary and fiscal tightening, flexible exchange rates and prudential tools such as reserve requirements and capital inflow controls. The urgency is especially great in Asia. China needs to allow the Yuan to strengthen soon. India’s recent interest-rate hikes have failed to keep up with inflation. For now, booming growth in emerging economies explains the rosiness of the global recovery. But its sustainability will depend, in large part, on how that prosperity is controlled.

    Let see what the economic wizard of the Chatter has to say:
    Comments are welcome and debates suggested...... go at it
  • IggyPride00
    GDP growth is worthless when it isn't accompanied by job growth. Look at the last decade as an example, as we had GDP expand by over 35% and it was accompanied by a net job loss for the decade.

    We will be entering our 3rd straight "jobless" recovery.

    GDP:

    Jan 2000: $9,695.6 trillion
    Jan 2010: $13,149.5 trillion

    http://www.data360.org/dataset.aspx?Data_Set_Id=354

    Employment:

    Jan 2000: 130,781,000 Jobs
    Jan 2010: 129,602,000 Jobs

    http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=CES0000000001
  • Footwedge
    Belly...the stock market has gone way up under the tutelege of the "public servant". Not that the "public servant" has anything to do with it. Obviously, people are putting a bunch of their money back into the market...for some reason.

    The 10 year decline in jobs is a much more telling statistic reflecting the poor economy. What makes things worse...the number of government jobs, which are not "producers" has increased quite a bit over the past 10 years.

    But nobody wants to discuss outsourcing/globalization and how to solve the problem of losing private sector jobs.
  • Belly35
    Footwedge and IggyPride00 talking then about the Obama Administration (Public Servant Ideology).
    Has this Administration and Congress/ Senate created an irreversible blow to the economy?
  • bman618
    I'd also add that the inflation number is shrewed too high due to not counting true inflation. There has been an increase but the Great Depression, for example, had ups and downs. Some years were better than others. Not saying this is the Great Depression yet - it will be and maybe worse if we lose reserve currency status.

    The fundamentals are awful, world wide and especially here, and continue to get worse. The United States is longer an independent country. We are a dependent country that imports a lot of products we need for everyday life, and we are dependent on foreigners continuing to allow us to export our inflation as being the reserve currency. Not a good picture.
  • Bigdogg
    Cutting taxes is never going to work without cutting spending. Here is an interesting article regarding supply side economics.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/431886/goodbye-supply-side/kevin-williamson
  • Jason Bourne
    Bigdogg wrote: Cutting taxes is never going to work without cutting spending. Here is an interesting article regarding supply side economics.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/431886/goodbye-supply-side/kevin-williamson
    +1!

    Another way to approach it ~ If the exit hole (spending) is greater than the entrance (taxes), it won't matter how much is brought in. How a group of people on OhioChatter can recognize this and people in Washington can't is beyond me. And if they do recognize it but fail to make policies in reponse to this knowledge, then they should be flogged and burned on public TV for treason.
  • Devils Advocate
    Bigdogg wrote: Cutting taxes is never going to work without cutting spending. Here is an interesting article regarding supply side economics.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/431886/goodbye-supply-side/kevin-williamson
    Cutting taxes is spending. Tax cuts have to be offset by spending cuts. The difference between tax cuts and spending is none( without cutting spending)