52% …Moving America towards Socialism

• Belly35

  

  Obama, Obama Administration, his Czars and Comrades …America believes are moving America toward Socialism, 92% of those in the Tea Party movement believe this agenda.
  
  See link: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64245
  
  Let’s see what your thoughts and opinions are on this topic:
  
  Is Obama ideology and agenda moving America toward socialism?
  
  Let ask the hard question now:
  
  Do you support this movement toward socialism?
• I Wear Pants

  I think we needed to move a little closer to the social side of the social democratic system. I'm not sure they implemented that move particularly well though.
• derek bomar

  

  92% of tea party people probably don't know what socialism is
• Belly35

  

  derek bomar wrote: 92% of tea party people probably don't know what socialism is

  
  When it came to questions of who are tea party members, the poll found that 50 percent described themselves as “middle class” and 26 percent described themselves as “working class.” Only 29 percent of tea partiers do not have at least some college education, a figure that far outpaces the rest of the country, of which 47 percent have no college education. We will not even go down the road of ACORN membership .....
  
  With that TeaParty 29% some college they know more about socialism them you think .....
• FatHobbit

  

  derek bomar wrote: 92% of tea party people probably don't know what socialism is

  But they know it's bad. At least until you try to take away their social security!
• queencitybuckeye

  Can we stop with the "if you think X, you don't know what X is" garbage?
• derek bomar

  

  Belly35 wrote:

  derek bomar wrote: 92% of tea party people probably don't know what socialism is

  
  When it came to questions of who are tea party members, the poll found that 50 percent described themselves as “middle class” and 26 percent described themselves as “working class.” Only 29 percent of tea partiers do not have at least some college education, a figure that far outpaces the rest of the country, of which 47 percent have no college education. We will not even go down the road of ACORN membership .....
  
  With that TeaParty 29% some college they know more about socialism them you think .....

  I still don't think most of them know what socialism is
• ts1227

  

  If socialism is viewed as leftist, and W was on the right, well then of course in the grand scheme of things we are closer to socialism then they were under the previous regime. It doesn't mean it's the end goal, though.
  
  Technically, McCain would have us closer to socialism then Bush did too.
  
  "moving toward socialism" is a deliberately vague statement to give a deliberately skewed opinion.
• cbus4life

  We're barely moving towards a democratic-socialist "lite" state. And we aren't even there. Nor do i think we'll get there.
• Little Danny

  

  ts1227 wrote: If socialism is viewed as leftist, and W was on the right, well then of course in the grand scheme of things we are closer to socialism then they were under the previous regime. It doesn't mean it's the end goal, though.
  
  Technically, McCain would have us closer to socialism then Bush did too.
  
  "moving toward socialism" is a deliberately vague statement to give a deliberately skewed opinion.

  This type of opinion always gets a chuckle from me. Since W did X, then nobody can complain when Obama does it.
  
  If someone stole money out of my bank account, it does not mean I can't complain if you do it too.
• Footwedge

  Are sociology majors all socialists?
• Little Danny

  

  Footwedge wrote: Are sociology majors all socialists?

  Are the folks over at Lipton members of the Tea Party?
• QuakerOats

  derek bomar wrote: 92% of tea party people probably don't know what socialism is

  You continue to underestimate them and their movement.
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  1. The definition of socialism varies as there are many different types, let alone in Europe. So, in the questions, I have a problem with just the word socialism as here in America it is under the umbrella of communism when in Europe it is just another party or has a very different definition. I'm not saying it is good or bad, just that defining it is difficult.
  
  2. The tea party has its merits, but the overzealous language of some is bringing it down. There are some nuggets of good policy in the movement, but grand language is turning off independents and moderates who make up most of this country.
  
  3. Is the country moving toward socialism? Not sure, but the country always ebbs and flows, so if it is it will move back toward the center.
• I Wear Pants

  QuakerOats wrote:

  derek bomar wrote: 92% of tea party people probably don't know what socialism is

  You continue to underestimate them and their movement.

  You continue to overestimate them.
• majorspark

  

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote: 2. The tea party has its merits, but the overzealous language of some is bringing it down. There are some nuggets of good policy in the movement, but grand language is turning off independents and moderates who make up most of this country.

  I would not say confidentely that independents and moderates make up the largest ideological block in this country. I don't put a lot of stock in polls but they do have some merit. According to this gallup poll, conservatives and moderates have been neck and neck for nearly a decade. Last year Conservatives 40% , Moderates 35%, Liberals 21%.
  
  http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx
• fish82

  

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote: 1. The definition of socialism varies as there are many different types, let alone in Europe. So, in the questions, I have a problem with just the word socialism as here in America it is under the umbrella of communism when in Europe it is just another party or has a very different definition. I'm not saying it is good or bad, just that defining it is difficult.
  
  2. The tea party has its merits, but the overzealous language of some is bringing it down. There are some nuggets of good policy in the movement, but grand language is turning off independents and moderates who make up most of this country.
  
  3. Is the country moving toward socialism? Not sure, but the country always ebbs and flows, so if it is it will move back toward the center.

  The "overzealous language" is 95% over-hyped bullshit from the left, who is increasingly desperate to bring the baggers down by any means necessary.
  
  Depending on the poll, Independents and democrats make up 38-45% of the baggers' membership, and that number grows each month. If they're getting "turned off," they have a funny way of showing it.
• BoatShoes

  Belly35 wrote:

  derek bomar wrote: 92% of tea party people probably don't know what socialism is

  
  When it came to questions of who are tea party members, the poll found that 50 percent described themselves as “middle class” and 26 percent described themselves as “working class.” Only 29 percent of tea partiers do not have at least some college education, a figure that far outpaces the rest of the country, of which 47 percent have no college education. We will not even go down the road of ACORN membership .....
  
  With that TeaParty 29% some college they know more about socialism them you think .....

  Well, let's suppose we take those numbers at face value...with 50% identified as middle class...considering that under the current 1986 internal revenue code the middle and lower class receives better than consumption tax treatment in many respects and are effectively living under a consumption tax...(401k's, personal exemptions diffused from income tax norms, IRA's, the home mortgage interest deduction, non-recognition of home sale gain, etc.) (as evidenced by the recent media coverage of the 2009 report that only 47% of households pay federal income tax)....it's probably a fair assessment that that 76% of tea partiers pay little to no federal income tax....if we take those numbers at face value.
  
  Even if we were to place 25% of those who identify as middle class in the Upper middle class/professional managerial class (It's almost certainly much less)...51% of tea partiers probably pay zero federal income tax.
  
  Hence, it seems to me that it begs the question...if those statistics are taken at face value....why are they even associated with a group that was founded on the principle of protesting federal income tax when it would appear the majority of them likely pay little to zero?
• 2quik4u

  

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote: 1. The definition of socialism varies as there are many different types, let alone in Europe. So, in the questions, I have a problem with just the word socialism as here in America it is under the umbrella of communism when in Europe it is just another party or has a very different definition. I'm not saying it is good or bad, just that defining it is difficult.
  
  2. The tea party has its merits, but the overzealous language of some is bringing it down. There are some nuggets of good policy in the movement, but grand language is turning off independents and moderates who make up most of this country.
  
  3. Is the country moving toward socialism? Not sure, but the country always ebbs and flows, so if it is it will move back toward the center.

  this country has slowly moved left since the beginning
• I Wear Pants

  2quik4u wrote:

  ptown_trojans_1 wrote: 1. The definition of socialism varies as there are many different types, let alone in Europe. So, in the questions, I have a problem with just the word socialism as here in America it is under the umbrella of communism when in Europe it is just another party or has a very different definition. I'm not saying it is good or bad, just that defining it is difficult.
  
  2. The tea party has its merits, but the overzealous language of some is bringing it down. There are some nuggets of good policy in the movement, but grand language is turning off independents and moderates who make up most of this country.
  
  3. Is the country moving toward socialism? Not sure, but the country always ebbs and flows, so if it is it will move back toward the center.

  this country has slowly moved left since the beginning

  Almost all countries have moved left.
• majorspark

  

  I Wear Pants wrote:Almost all countries have moved left.

  You are correct. The founders new this as well. Government naturally trends toward increased power over its citizens. That is why they did there best to set up a system of government that had checks and balances at the federal level, as well as being balanced by state sovereignty.
  
  History has proven that it has been effective in slowing the trend that other nations have taken in lurching towards central control in regards to social issues.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  I Wear Pants wrote:

  QuakerOats wrote:

  derek bomar wrote: 92% of tea party people probably don't know what socialism is

  You continue to underestimate them and their movement.

  You continue to overestimate them.

  This is such a false statement. It has nothing to do with whether you agree with them or not. The Tea Party movement has been underestimated big time. It's the same mistake that that side of the isle made by letting Obama sneak up and take the top spot. It's happening all over again, just in the opposite direction. I seriously fear what we might see down the road--regardless of party. The government isn't serving the public, they're serving themselves. And in that aspect the Tea Party is right as well, it's about time we get some people in there that do what should be done rather than what the public thinks. I mean, come on man. When is enough, enough? I don't give a flying fuck which party you're talking about or whatever--let's come together and work towards a common goal. It's all about who has a bigger dick these days, it's bullshit and we're all just along for the ride like morons.
  
  It blows my mind to see how governed man has become.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  I Wear Pants wrote:
  Almost all countries have moved left.

  Nearly every society does it seems, to inevitable fail.
• BoatShoes

  A link to supplement my earlier point in reference to the tea partiers tax burden
• SQ_Crazies

  

  BoatShoes wrote: A link to supplement my earlier point in reference to the tea partiers tax burden

  LMAO, 47% of the whole population don't pay taxes--just goes to show you that the Tea Party is made up of a well rounded demographic. The Tea Party is about more than just tax dollars anyways.