Federal judge strikes down National Day of Prayer statute
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BCSbunk
Yes it is THE END but you have idiots who want to argue.Bigred1995 wrote: Thomas Jefferson already covered this topic concerning a similar situation in his letter to Rev. Samuel Miller when requested a proposal that he recommend a national day of fasting and prayer!
End of Conversation!!!Sir, — I have duly received your favor of the 18th and am thankful to you for having written it, because it is more agreeable to prevent than to refuse what I do not think myself authorized to comply with. I consider the government of the U S. as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise, of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the U.S. Certainly no power to prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the general government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority. But it is only proposed that I should recommend, not prescribe a day of fasting & prayer. That is, that I should indirectly assume to the U.S. an authority over religious exercises which the Constitution has directly precluded them from. It must be meant too that this recommendation is to carry some authority, and to be sanctioned by some penalty on those who disregard it; not indeed of fine and imprisonment, but of some degree of proscription perhaps in public opinion. And does the change in the nature of the penalty make the recommendation the less a law of conduct for those to whom it is directed? I do not believe it is for the interest of religion to invite the civil magistrate to direct it's exercises, it's discipline, or it's doctrines; nor of the religious societies that the general government should be invested with the power of effecting any uniformity of time or matter among them. Fasting & prayer are religious exercises. The enjoining them an act of discipline. Every religious society has a right to determine for itself the times for these exercises, & the objects proper for them, according to their own particular tenets; and this right can never be safer than in their own hands, where the constitution has deposited it.
I am aware that the practice of my predecessors may be quoted. But I have ever believed that the example of state executives led to the assumption of that authority by the general government, without due examination, which would have discovered that what might be a right in a state government, was a violation of that right when assumed by another. Be this as it may, every one must act according to the dictates of his own reason, & mine tells me that civil powers alone have been given to the President of the U S. and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents.
I again express my satisfaction that you have been so good as to give me an opportunity of explaining myself in a private letter, in which I could give my reasons more in detail than might have been done in a public answer: and I pray you to accept the assurances of my high esteem & respect.
( Thomas Jefferson, letter to letter to Rev. Samuel Miller, from Washington, January 23, 1808; Merrill D. Peterson, ed., Thomas Jefferson: Writings, New York: Library of America, 1994, pp. 1186-1187. )
Religion is a disease upon mankind it limits us in love,and kindness and proper morals.
Our founding Fathers knew the evils of the bible which most christians have never ever even read.
Anyone who can defend that a girl raped should have to marry her rapist is one of the sickest individuals I could ever imagine and that is exactly what the bible describes.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
28 “Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29 he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver.[a] Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.
The girl MUST marry her rapist. The bible is a piece of FILTH and Christians should be ashamed of themselves. -
bman618I guess the courts would find this unconstitutional now too.
General Thanksgiving
By the PRESIDENT of the United States Of America
A PROCLAMATION
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WHEREAS it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favour; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a DAY OF PUBLICK THANKSGIVING and PRAYER, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"
NOW THEREFORE, I do recommend and assign THURSDAY, the TWENTY-SIXTH DAY of NOVEMBER next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed;-- for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish Constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted;-- for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge;-- and, in general, for all the great and various favours which He has been pleased to confer upon us.
And also, that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions;-- to enable us all, whether in publick or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us); and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.
GIVEN under my hand, at the city of New-York, the third day of October, in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-nine.
(signed) G. Washington
If the first amendment was seen as it is today at the time of ratification, there would have not been enough states to ratify the Constitution. The first amendment was generally thought at the time of not allowing the government to establish a national church - the Church of England being the past experience - and nothing more. The first amendment was never intended to prohibit the display of religious symbols on the public square or a national day of prayer. Jefferson soon after writing the separation of church and state letter went to attend a church service in the House of Representatives. And may I remind folks of the prayer FDR gave over the radio during D-Day. It is stirring. -
CenterBHSFan
BCSbunk wrote: Yes it is THE END but you have idiots who want to argue.
Religion is a disease upon mankind it limits us in love,and kindness and proper morals.
Our founding Fathers knew the evils of the bible which most christians have never ever even read.
Anyone who can defend that a girl raped should have to marry her rapist is one of the sickest individuals I could ever imagine and that is exactly what the bible describes.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
28 “Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29 he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver.[a] Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.
The girl MUST marry her rapist. The bible is a piece of FILTH and Christians should be ashamed of themselves.
Ok, I think I'm finally starting to "catch on" in that I'm beginning to think that you don't even believe 1/2 of the twisted hate that you spew out on here.
You're just stirring the pot in order to bait people for a more dramatic and interesting discussion.
Am I right? -
CenterBHSFan
Correct.bman618 wrote: If the first amendment was seen as it is today at the time of ratification, there would have not been enough states to ratify the Constitution. The first amendment was generally thought at the time of not allowing the government to establish a national church - the Church of England being the past experience - and nothing more. The first amendment was never intended to prohibit the display of religious symbols on the public square or a national day of prayer.
I don't know why people tend to make more of it than what it is.
Perhaps somebody can clue me in on that? -
jhay78
BCSbunk wrote:Bigred1995 wrote:
Yes it is THE END but you have idiots who want to argue.
Religion is a disease upon mankind it limits us in love,and kindness and proper morals.
That's why they quoted it so much, eh?Our founding Fathers knew the evils of the bible which most christians have never ever even read.
You can't name one Christian leader or pastor (nor can anyone) who preaches that or advocates that.Anyone who can defend that a girl raped should have to marry her rapist is one of the sickest individuals I could ever imagine and that is exactly what the bible describes.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
28 “Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29 he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver.[a] Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.
The girl MUST marry her rapist.
Yeah that whole "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" is despicable, isn't it?The bible is a piece of FILTH and Christians should be ashamed of themselves. -
jhay78
^^^Oh, and that has nothing to do with the thread either, btw.
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CenterBHSFan
jhay78 wrote:
I know, right??!!BCSbunk wrote:Bigred1995 wrote:
Yes it is THE END but you have idiots who want to argue.
Religion is a disease upon mankind it limits us in love,and kindness and proper morals.
That's why they quoted it so much, eh?Our founding Fathers knew the evils of the bible which most christians have never ever even read.
You can't name one Christian leader or pastor (nor can anyone) who preaches that or advocates that.Anyone who can defend that a girl raped should have to marry her rapist is one of the sickest individuals I could ever imagine and that is exactly what the bible describes.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
28 “Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29 he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver.[a] Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.
The girl MUST marry her rapist.
Yeah that whole "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" is despicable, isn't it?The bible is a piece of FILTH and Christians should be ashamed of themselves.
hahaha
Some of these people get so dramatical and frenzied that they remind me of this:
...only on the flipside of the issue!