Weight question
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HilliardDadAre there any rules about wrestling up weight classes? For example, can a kid weigh in at 105 and wrestle, say, 126? 132? I know there is a minimum for heavyweights, just wondering if there is a minimum for others?
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HilliardDadFollow up question,... If a kid does wrestle up 3 weight classes, does he forfeit the lower weight class? Or is that based solely on actual weight? The examples on the OHSAA website are not entirely clear to me on this.
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cruiser_96
I'm pretty sure it's your weight class plus one.
If a kid weighs 105, then his weight class is 106, plus 113. If he weighs 106.1, then his weight class is 113, plus 120.
Now, all of what I just typed is in the context of him wanting to maintain a minimum wrestling weight. If he's a back-up, and weighs 105, and has no problem forfeiting his chances to wrestle 106, then I don't think there is a minimum wrestling weight. Who knows!? Maybe I'm wrong. -
HilliardDadI guess that's my real question, is it your actual weight, or the weight class you wrestle at, that determines if you forfeit a lower class? For example. Let's say you weigh in at 112, and wrestle at 126. #1, is that even allowed? #2 Do you then forfeit 106?
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cruiser_96
Not sure if it's not allowed by minimum wrestling weight standards (a la weighing 200 and attempting to wrestle 285) but if it allowed, and you did it, you would not be allowed to wrestle 113 anymore, and thus, forfeit 106 as well.
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HilliardDadthanks
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Cthelites
You can only bump one weight class so no you couldnt go at 126 if you weighed in at 112.HilliardDad;1392311 wrote:I guess that's my real question, is it your actual weight, or the weight class you wrestle at, that determines if you forfeit a lower class? For example. Let's say you weigh in at 112, and wrestle at 126. #1, is that even allowed? #2 Do you then forfeit 106?
You could wrestle 126 if you weighed in at 113.1(or assuming the scratch/growth allowance 115.1), but you would then forfeit the right to ever wrestle 106.
You cannot weigh in at more than one weight class above the lowest weight you want to wrestle(unless of course the alpha scale allows you be be there...this is usually early in the season. 1.5% body weight loss per week from when you alpha tested at that weight during the test.
You can always bump up a weight class from where you weighed in at and only bump one weight class max.
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Half Full Nelson
Are you sure this (the sentence above in bold) is correct? For example, if I was normally a 106, and weighed in at 107...and wrestled 120 for a match...are you saying I couldn't go back down and wrestle at 106 again? Everything else you said sounds right on (i.e. being able to only go "up" one weight above what you weigh-in at, but I'm not sure about the not being able to wrestle back down thing. Can you cite a rule on that?Cthelites;1392353 wrote:You can only bump one weight class so no you couldnt go at 126 if you weighed in at 112.
You could wrestle 126 if you weighed in at 113.1(or assuming the scratch/growth allowance 115.1), but you would then forfeit the right to ever wrestle 106.
You cannot weigh in at more than one weight class above the lowest weight you want to wrestle(unless of course the alpha scale allows you be be there...this is usually early in the season. 1.5% body weight loss per week from when you alpha tested at that weight during the test.
You can always bump up a weight class from where you weighed in at and only bump one weight class max.
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HilliardDadThat's not the same, he's saying by weighing in at 113.1 he's at the 120 lb weight class, and gives up 106
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Dad4SportsExamples from the OHSAA website.....guess they are too lazy to update the passage to reflect the new weight classes.....
WEIGHT CLASS ELIGIBILITY EXAMPLES
On any given date a wrestler may not weigh in more than one weight class above
his/her lowest allowable weight as defined by the Alpha Master report timeline. Any
wrestler who does weigh in more than one weight class above the lowest allowable
weight then vacates that lowest weight and a new lowest weight will be established.
Growth allowance may not be utilized to achieve a lower weight class for a wrestler.
For simplicity, all examples are listed without growth allowance.
1. A wrestler has reached his/her lowest minimum weight of 103. On the day of
competition, he/she weighs in at 116.5. This is more than one weight class above
the lowest minimum weight of 103, therefore 103 is surrendered and 112 becomes the new minimum weight for that wrestler.
2. a. A wrestler with a lowest minimum weight of 125 is descending toward
his/her lowest minimum weight, but has yet to reach the lowest minimum
weight, and weighs in for competition. In compliance with his/her timeline
the wrestler weighs in at 132 (making him/her eligible at 135 and 140) and
wrestles at 140. The wrestler still retains the opportunity to continue to
descend toward the lowest minimum weight of 125 as he/she did not weigh
in more than one weight class above his/her lowest actual weight.
b. Two weeks later, the same wrestler in example 2a, who has now reached
his/her lowest minimum weight of 125, weighs in at 131 making him/her
eligible for the 135 and 140 pound weight class. That wrestler has now
surrendered his/her lowest minimum weight of 125 and 130 becomes the
wrestler’s new minimum weight.
3. A 129.3 pound lowest minimum weight wrestler weighs in at 129.6 pounds, legally wrestling several times at 130 and 135 pounds. Later during the season his/her actual weigh-in weight is recorded at 135.1 pounds making him/her eligible for the 140 and 145 pound weight classes. This requires that he/she surrenders the 130 pound weight class, establishing the new minimum weight class of 135.
A wrestler is NOT eligible for a lower weight class because of allowances for successive days of wrestling, which then brings a weight class up to the 7% minimum
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Cthelites
You still keep certification at 106 if you weighed in at 107.Half Full Nelson;1392363 wrote:Are you sure this (the sentence above in bold) is correct? For example, if I was normally a 106, and weighed in at 107...and wrestled 120 for a match...are you saying I couldn't go back down and wrestle at 106 again? Everything else you said sounds right on (i.e. being able to only go "up" one weight above what you weigh-in at, but I'm not sure about the not being able to wrestle back down thing. Can you cite a rule on that?
By weighing in at 107 you are the 113 wrestler thus could still bump to 120(assuming the growth allowance isnt factored in).
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HilliardDad
I think so. based on that, is there any way a wrestler could wrestle, in one week, 126 and later that week 106? Because in order to wrestle 126 he would have to weigh in at 113+ to be in the 120 class, thus forefeiting 106?Cthelites;1392353 wrote:You can only bump one weight class so no you couldnt go at 126 if you weighed in at 112.
You could wrestle 126 if you weighed in at 113.1(or assuming the scratch/growth allowance 115.1), but you would then forfeit the right to ever wrestle 106.
You cannot weigh in at more than one weight class above the lowest weight you want to wrestle(unless of course the alpha scale allows you be be there...this is usually early in the season. 1.5% body weight loss per week from when you alpha tested at that weight during the test.
You can always bump up a weight class from where you weighed in at and only bump one weight class max.
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Dad4SportsExamples for wrestling "up" a weight class.....all weights Pre-growth allowance
My 120 pounder can weigh in at 120.0 and wrestle either the 120 class or the 126 class, but not 132 as he can't wrestle two classes above his weight class. He can also weigh in between 120.1 - 126 and wrestle either the 126 class or 132 class without losing his 120 class certification, but can't wrestle 138 due to the two weight class jump. However, if he weighs in at 126.1, he will lose his 120 certification. -
RefmanHe would forfeit 106
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HilliardDadSo this is the interesting one for me. Adjusting with new weight classes
So that looks like it is possible, in the right circumstances, for a wrestler to go at 145 and 6 days later go at 126. Assuming that his minimum weight had not reached 126 on the first match and had by the second.2. a. A wrestler with a lowest minimum weight of 126 is descending toward
his/her lowest minimum weight, but has yet to reach the lowest minimum
weight, and weighs in for competition. In compliance with his/her timeline
the wrestler weighs in at 135 (making him/her eligible at 138 and 145) and
wrestles at 145. The wrestler still retains the opportunity to continue to
descend toward the lowest minimum weight of 125 as he/she did not weigh
in more than one weight class above his/her lowest actual weight.
b. Two weeks later, the same wrestler in example 2a, who has now reached
his/her lowest minimum weight of 126, weighs in at 133 making him/her
eligible for the 138 and 145 pound weight class. That wrestler has now
surrendered his/her lowest minimum weight of 126 and 132 becomes the
wrestler’s new minimum weight. -
Cthelites
Interesting!Dad4Sports;1392379 wrote:Examples from the OHSAA website.....guess they are too lazy to update the passage to reflect the new weight classes.....
WEIGHT CLASS ELIGIBILITY EXAMPLES
On any given date a wrestler may not weigh in more than one weight class above
his/her lowest allowable weight as defined by the Alpha Master report timeline. Any
wrestler who does weigh in more than one weight class above the lowest allowable
weight then vacates that lowest weight and a new lowest weight will be established.
Growth allowance may not be utilized to achieve a lower weight class for a wrestler.
For simplicity, all examples are listed without growth allowance.
1. A wrestler has reached his/her lowest minimum weight of 103. On the day of
competition, he/she weighs in at 116.5. This is more than one weight class above
the lowest minimum weight of 103, therefore 103 is surrendered and 112 becomes the new minimum weight for that wrestler.
2. a. A wrestler with a lowest minimum weight of 125 is descending toward
his/her lowest minimum weight, but has yet to reach the lowest minimum
weight, and weighs in for competition. In compliance with his/her timeline
the wrestler weighs in at 132 (making him/her eligible at 135 and 140) and
wrestles at 140. The wrestler still retains the opportunity to continue to
descend toward the lowest minimum weight of 125 as he/she did not weigh
in more than one weight class above his/her lowest actual weight.
b. Two weeks later, the same wrestler in example 2a, who has now reached
his/her lowest minimum weight of 125, weighs in at 131 making him/her
eligible for the 135 and 140 pound weight class. That wrestler has now
surrendered his/her lowest minimum weight of 125 and 130 becomes the
wrestler’s new minimum weight.
3. A 129.3 pound lowest minimum weight wrestler weighs in at 129.6 pounds, legally wrestling several times at 130 and 135 pounds. Later during the season his/her actual weigh-in weight is recorded at 135.1 pounds making him/her eligible for the 140 and 145 pound weight classes. This requires that he/she surrenders the 130 pound weight class, establishing the new minimum weight class of 135.
A wrestler is NOT eligible for a lower weight class because of allowances for successive days of wrestling, which then brings a weight class up to the 7% minimum
weight.
Thats how I thought the rule was. -
Dad4Sports
Yes....while not a 6-day time period, isn't this similar to what Bobby Smith just did?HilliardDad;1392400 wrote:So this is the interesting one for me. Adjusting with new weight classes
So that looks like it is possible, in the right circumstances, for a wrestler to go at 145 and 6 days later go at 126. Assuming that his minimum weight had not reached 126 on the first match and had by the second. -
Half Full Nelson
I learn something new every day. If I'm understanding this correctly (and, BTW...this became more confusing than I expected.)...
A wrestler could weigh in at (using new weights): 154...thus making him a 160..and wrestle "up" to 170. He could still go down to 152 (or...heck...106 for that matter) assuming A) that his weight cert allows him to drop to 152 AND...B) that he hasn't ALREADY made weight at 152. So, you can go up 1 weight above you weigh...that I get. In terms of going "back down," you can't go below what you're weight cert allows NOR can you go two below a weight you actually weighed in at. Am I getting this right? Confusing. It was so much easier back in the "good ole days" when you could wrestle wherever hours of spitting in a cup could get you. (Kidding!) -
HilliardDadWell, that is the basis of my question. He wrestled at 145 on 1/31 and then at 126 on 2/6 I was wondering how that was possible.
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cruiser_96
HFN: I do believe what you posted is correct. Even the spitting in a cup part!
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Dad4Sports
Not sure about your comment that I highlighted in red.....you could actually wrestle 2 or more weight classes below what you actually weight in at if you are descending to your lowest allowable weight, but have not actually reached it. We are talking a season-long (or multiple months) scenario....Half Full Nelson;1392447 wrote:I learn something new every day. If I'm understanding this correctly (and, BTW...this became more confusing than I expected.)...
A wrestler could weigh in at (using new weights): 154...thus making him a 160..and wrestle "up" to 170. He could still go down to 152 (or...heck...106 for that matter) assuming A) that his weight cert allows him to drop to 152 AND...B) that he hasn't ALREADY made weight at 152. So, you can go up 1 weight above you weigh...that I get. In terms of going "back down," you can't go below what you're weight cert allows NOR can you go two below a weight you actually weighed in at. Am I getting this right? Confusing. It was so much easier back in the "good ole days" when you could wrestle wherever hours of spitting in a cup could get you. (Kidding!) -
Dad4Sports
I don't think that is a problem at all.....HilliardDad;1392462 wrote:Well, that is the basis of my question. He wrestled at 145 on 1/31 and then at 126 on 2/6 I was wondering how that was possible.
Obviously, I don't have the details of his weight loss plan, but it theoretically could have gone like this....
1/31.....lowest allowable weight class 132 (134).....he weighs in at 134.1 which makes him eligible to bump to 145 (147).
2/6.....his weight loss plan now shows his lowest allowable weight as 126 (128). He weighs in at scratch....126....to certify. -
HilliardDad
Yep, now that I understand how it works, I can see how he could do it. Timing is everything!Dad4Sports;1392487 wrote:I don't think that is a problem at all.....
Obviously, I don't have the details of his weight loss plan, but it theoretically could have gone like this....
1/31.....lowest allowable weight class 132 (134).....he weighs in at 134.1 which makes him eligible to bump to 145 (147).
2/6.....his weight loss plan now shows his lowest allowable weight as 126 (128). He weighs in at scratch....126....to certify. -
Half Full Nelson
What I mean is...it sounds like, once you weigh in at a certain weight, you can still go down multiple weight classes, but you can't go BACK down. I.e. if I made weight at 106 in December...and then wrestled 120 in January, I can't go BACK down to 106. (Correct?) But, I COULD go down to 106 if I weighed 107/wrestled 120 in January, so long as I haven't already been down there. If this is incorrect, I don't understand what you're forfeiting if you bump up, if you can still go back down. ("Explain it to me like I'm a 5 year old." - Michael Scott.)Dad4Sports;1392474 wrote:Not sure about your comment that I highlighted in red.....you could actually wrestle 2 or more weight classes below what you actually weight in at if you are descending to your lowest allowable weight, but have not actually reached it. We are talking a season-long (or multiple months) scenario.... -
Dad4Sports
No...others can correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think you are correct. It does not matter if you certify at 106 in December. All that means is that you can never weigh in more than one weight class above that....so before the growth allowance....113.0. After the allowance 115.0. So if he weighs 110 in January, he can bump up and wrestle 120 (122) weight class and still retain his 106 (108) certification.Half Full Nelson;1392525 wrote:What I mean is...it sounds like, once you weigh in at a certain weight, you can still go down multiple weight classes, but you can't go BACK down. I.e. if I made weight at 106 in December...and then wrestled 120 in January, I can't go BACK down to 106. (Correct?) But, I COULD go down to 106 if I weighed 107/wrestled 120 in January, so long as I haven't already been down there. If this is incorrect, I don't understand what you're forfeiting if you bump up, if you can still go back down. ("Explain it to me like I'm a 5 year old." - Michael Scott.)